Pence signed it: Add Indiana to the list of states with "religious freedom" laws

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/senate-panel-quickly-advances-religious-freedom-bill/article_e296d5db-b9ea-5c22-a224-e0b9b2c3430f.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Indiana = trash (but you already knew that)

[King]

what started the hysteria about this again?

[All Along The Watchtower]

what started the hysteria about this again?

The homo-sexuals making a fuss about their "rights", or some such.

[DemPGH]

The religious right is losing, has been losing, will lose, and this kind of thing is their reaction. Awful.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It hasn't passed yet, it's just been put forward by a Senate committee.  But the prospects for it are encouraging.

Clark, aren't you a religious minority? I'd think you'd be applauding this.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Clark, aren't you a religious minority? I'd think you'd be applauding this.

What? Why the f would that make me approve discrimination against gay people (like me)? Hinduism doesn't promote homphobia, and something tells me these conservative Christian Republicans won't be jumping to defend Hinduism if we come crying about something.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Clark, aren't you a religious minority? I'd think you'd be applauding this.

What? Why the f would that make me approve discrimination against gay people (like me)? Hinduism doesn't promote homphobia, and something tells me these conservative Christian Republicans won't be jumping to defend Hinduism if we come crying about something.

In most religions there are certain activities that are required or not allowed which to other religions are morally neutral. Sometimes the practice of these religions run afoul of the law in regulations that apply to all people, and so aren't directly opposed to religion but are anti-religious coincidentally. If the government makes a rule that inhibits someone's religious commitments, should it have to prove that the regulation is absolutely necessary? The Supreme Court ruled back in the 90s that the 1st Amendment doesn't actually require this so long as it is not intentionally discriminating. In response Congress passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and a few other laws designed to make sure Federal regulations abided by the more stringent standard of respecting religious liberty. But this federal law does not apply to the states. This Indiana bill is the same language as in the federal law. The bill doesn't mention gays, that is just one issue that is on people's minds at the moment.  If a few of the backers of this bill say later "we didn't know we were giving rights to people of the wrong religion" then the Court will not care about such a sentiment and will decide according to the plain language of the law. Without something like this, religious minorities are at an inherent disadvantage with respect to the law due to the tendency of people to create regulations based on what they think is normal.

[Ebowed]

It hasn't passed yet, it's just been put forward by a Senate committee.  But the prospects for it are encouraging.

Clark, aren't you a religious minority? I'd think you'd be applauding this.

Are atheists and agnostics a religious minority for the purposes of this exercise?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It hasn't passed yet, it's just been put forward by a Senate committee.  But the prospects for it are encouraging.

Clark, aren't you a religious minority? I'd think you'd be applauding this.

Are atheists and agnostics a religious minority for the purposes of this exercise?

I'm not sure the court precedent would agree with me as it would apply to this law, but if someone had a moral objection to something on humanist grounds, I would support their conscience being protected under the rubric of religious freedom.

[Reaganfan]

Safe Hillary

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Safe Hillary

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[Mr. Illini]

Junk state!

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Junk state!

And yet who pays more taxes? You guys do.

[free my dawg]

Clark, aren't you a religious minority? I'd think you'd be applauding this.

He's also gay.

[Nutmeg]

Junk state!

And yet who pays more taxes? You guys do.

An example of getting what you pay for.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Pence is almost certain to sign it tomorrow, having expressed intention to do it previously. Business interests are already warning they may not do business in the state, especially conventions that are regularly held in Indianapolis. Indianapolis' Republican Mayor Greg Ballard has also announced his opposition to the bill.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/pence-under-pressure-veto-controversial-religious-freedom-bill

Absolutely disgraceful.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

The religious right is losing, has been losing, will lose, and this kind of thing is their reaction. Awful.

Just keep saying it to yourself: "WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING"

[Randy Bobandy]

Each day I am more and more disgusted with this hellhole.

[DemPGH]

And this precisely is what I was yelling and shouting about when the SCOTUS handed that awful Hobby Lobby decision. In some dark corner someone will always use faith or religion to justify their bigotry, intolerance, etc.

Just keep saying it to yourself: "WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING"

I don't think we are at all. This was rejected in Arizona of all places. That the far right is doing something like this in Indiana as a reaction to the direction of the country was / is kind of my point. Puerile desperation, it is. It's sad that innocent people get caught up in it, though, or get stuck fighting it.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

And this precisely is what I was yelling and shouting about when the SCOTUS handed that awful Hobby Lobby decision. In some dark corner someone will always use faith or religion to justify their bigotry, intolerance, etc.

Just keep saying it to yourself: "WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING"

I don't think we are at all. This was rejected in Arizona of all places. That the far right is doing something like this in Indiana as a reaction to the direction of the country was / is kind of my point. Puerile desperation, it is. It's sad that innocent people get caught up in it, though, or get stuck fighting it.

What?  The baby is the religious right. 

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Junk state!

And yet who pays more taxes? You guys do.

An example of getting what you pay for.

[DemPGH]

And this precisely is what I was yelling and shouting about when the SCOTUS handed that awful Hobby Lobby decision. In some dark corner someone will always use faith or religion to justify their bigotry, intolerance, etc.

Just keep saying it to yourself: "WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING WE'RE NOT LOSING"

I don't think we are at all. This was rejected in Arizona of all places. That the far right is doing something like this in Indiana as a reaction to the direction of the country was / is kind of my point. Puerile desperation, it is. It's sad that innocent people get caught up in it, though, or get stuck fighting it.

What?  The baby is the religious right. 

Oh, lol! I get it. Yeah. I just misread it.

[Mr. Illini]

Junk state!

And yet who pays more taxes? You guys do.

I'll gladly live in a state with slightly higher taxes that I know takes care of its poor and respects its gays, rather than a state like Indiana which has always been a racist and homophobic hellhole.

You'll always be our little brother in terms of economic, social, and political power regardless of how far they bring your taxes down anyway.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Junk state!

And yet who pays more taxes? You guys do.

they have to, to subsidise your little third-world hellhole.

[Mr. Illini]

Governor Pence signed the bill the bill this morning, citing, of course, Obamacare

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/politics/mike-pence-religious-freedom-bill-gay-rights/