LBJ was both an FF and a HP.
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Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook
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« on: February 18, 2015, 01:57:23 PM »
LBJ is one of the greatest examples on someone who was simultaneously a Freedom Fighter and a Horrible Person.

Do you agree?
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 02:06:53 PM »
Probably, yeah. Although his fight for freedom decisively outweighs his personal horribleness in my book.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 02:12:23 PM »
Agree.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 02:52:27 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on February 18, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Probably, yeah. Although his fight for freedom decisively outweighs his personal horribleness in my book.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 02:54:35 PM »
Quote from: National Progressive on February 18, 2015, 02:52:27 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on February 18, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Probably, yeah. Although his fight for freedom decisively outweighs his personal horribleness in my book.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 03:16:34 PM »
Just a HP
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 03:40:29 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2015, 03:48:28 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2015, 03:49:22 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2015, 03:57:44 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2015, 04:39:06 PM »
Agree, but this is true for basically every person ever born. Also
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 04:39:36 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 04:44:40 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 05:17:00 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2015, 05:51:40 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2015, 07:33:15 PM »
My opinions of which of his actions are 'fight for freedom' and which are 'horribleness' are probably somewhat different than most of the others here, but I agree with the basic sentiment.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2015, 07:34:27 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 03:03:11 AM »
Yes, but his HP qualities outweigh his FF ones in my book.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 02:42:56 PM »
I find the veneration of LBJ's personality by some liberals suspicious. It seems that beyond  the realities of LBJ's policies - a mixed bag at best - are glossed over in favour of admiration of 'the Johnson treatment'. How many times have I heard variations of the phrase 'If only Johnson was president now, we'd have universal healthcare (substitute for liberal dream policy of choice)? It seems to be affection of some liberals that positive change is driven by autocratic men swinging their dick around (metaphorically and literally). But this in practise is a dangerous state to be in. In practise it meant the Johnson administration was testosterone fuelled and arrogant. Consensus was thrown out of the window, and all for the petty pursuit of johnson's love of being glorified as a 'great president'. Although i will not declare LBJ was amoral or a monster - especially in contrast to his successor - his personality was of his time. But the Johnson treatment and all it entails - the backroom deals, the intimidation, the seedy clubs, the backscratching - is long dead, and rightly so.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 02:45:15 PM »
Quote from: CrabCake on February 19, 2015, 02:42:56 PM
I find the veneration of LBJ's personality by some liberals suspicious. It seems that beyond  the realities of LBJ's policies - a mixed bag at best - are glossed over in favour of admiration of 'the Johnson treatment'. How many times have I heard variations of the phrase 'If only Johnson was president now, we'd have universal healthcare (substitute for liberal dream policy of choice)? It seems to be affection of some liberals that positive change is driven by autocratic men swinging their dick around (metaphorically and literally). But this in practise is a dangerous state to be in. In practise it meant the Johnson administration was testosterone fuelled and arrogant. Consensus was thrown out of the window, and all for the petty pursuit of johnson's love of being glorified as a 'great president'. Although i will not declare LBJ was amoral or a monster - especially in contrast to his successor - his personality was of his time. But the Johnson treatment and all it entails - the backroom deals, the intimidation, the seedy clubs, the backscratching - is long dead, and rightly so.

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2015, 02:45:33 PM »
Quote from: CrabCake on February 19, 2015, 02:42:56 PM
In practise it meant the Johnson administration was testosterone fuelled and arrogant.

Every single U.S. Presidential Administration is like that (present one must definitely included).
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2015, 02:56:43 PM »
Yeah, but I highly doubt, I dunno, Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter regularly got their dicks out to intimidate staffers.
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