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« on: February 19, 2015, 11:00:15 AM »

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/28142401/doctor-refuses-treatment-of-same-sex-couples-baby

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 11:24:12 AM »

This is news?
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 11:32:06 AM »


Yes, because doctors can now refuse to care for defenseless babies because of its parents' sexuality. Not very pro-life if you ask me.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 11:49:48 AM »


You mean you've never been refused service because gingers don't have souls?
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 12:23:34 PM »

Needs to have her medical license revoked.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 12:25:26 PM »

Disgusting, but not surprising.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 12:27:59 PM »

Needs to have her medical license revoked.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 01:09:55 PM »

Bigotry runs so deep that this doctor cannot care for a baby. Crazy stuff for 2015. She should not be in the profession, clearly, and might well have violated medical ethics, I don't know.   
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 01:15:16 PM »

I know this is going to sound very libertarian of me, but it's not as if this doctor refused to provide emergency care.  She even made arrangements so that the baby would still be seen by a doctor at the appointed time.  The idea that people who choose to provide services should have no ability to decide who to serve is a rather illiberal one. It was a bigoted and stupid decision on her part, but unless it rises to the point of preventing people from having any access to a needed service, I don't think government should be interfering in this particular form of idiocy.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 01:25:21 PM »


Yes, because doctors can now refuse to care for defenseless babies because of its parents' sexuality. Not very pro-life if you ask me.

They've always been able to do this, it's just that now these things get picked up very quickly.

The doctor should find some spiritual guidance and learn that this is not a precept of any sane religion. But the state doesn't determine what religious views are sane. She at least arranged for someone else to see them, which was her duty.  If this visit was paid for ahead of time they should be owed back their money. If this was an emergency or life and death situation then she would be liable, but it wasn't.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 01:25:38 PM »

Sounds like a ClickHole article, only replace Religious Freedom! with Inspiring!
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 01:35:54 PM »

I know this is going to sound very libertarian of me, but it's not as if this doctor refused to provide emergency care.  She even made arrangements so that the baby would still be seen by a doctor at the appointed time.  The idea that people who choose to provide services should have no ability to decide who to serve is a rather illiberal one. It was a bigoted and stupid decision on her part, but unless it rises to the point of preventing people from having any access to a needed service, I don't think government should be interfering in this particular form of idiocy.

Yeah, I agree. She's clearly an awful person, but at least she showed the basic human decency to make sure the baby was cared for by someone who wasn't a bigot. I don't think it should be actionable.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM »

Sounds like a ClickHole article, only replace Religious Freedom! with Inspiring!

Yes, I forgot to say, I'm a real big fan of the work MM has done with this thread's title. Real big fan.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 01:47:56 PM »

I know this is going to sound very libertarian of me, but it's not as if this doctor refused to provide emergency care.  She even made arrangements so that the baby would still be seen by a doctor at the appointed time.  The idea that people who choose to provide services should have no ability to decide who to serve is a rather illiberal one. It was a bigoted and stupid decision on her part, but unless it rises to the point of preventing people from having any access to a needed service, I don't think government should be interfering in this particular form of idiocy.

Yeah, I agree. She's clearly an awful person, but at least she showed the basic human decency to make sure the baby was cared for by someone who wasn't a bigot. I don't think it should be actionable.

What if another doctor hadn't been available. Her religious "beliefs" still would have dictated that she not treat the baby.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 02:05:54 PM »

I know this is going to sound very libertarian of me, but it's not as if this doctor refused to provide emergency care.  She even made arrangements so that the baby would still be seen by a doctor at the appointed time.  The idea that people who choose to provide services should have no ability to decide who to serve is a rather illiberal one. It was a bigoted and stupid decision on her part, but unless it rises to the point of preventing people from having any access to a needed service, I don't think government should be interfering in this particular form of idiocy.

Yeah, I agree. She's clearly an awful person, but at least she showed the basic human decency to make sure the baby was cared for by someone who wasn't a bigot. I don't think it should be actionable.

What if another doctor hadn't been available. Her religious "beliefs" still would have dictated that she not treat the baby.

If she let her religious obligations keep her from treating a baby when no one else was available, that would violate the Hippocratic Oath and she should lose her license. It's hypothetical, though.

The fact that she arranged another doctor is the deciding factor for me. She didn't abandon her responsibilities, she passed them on.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 02:07:38 PM »

Imagine if a Muslim or Hindu doctor refused to treat a Christian's child. Huge
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2015, 02:33:05 PM »

Imagine if a Muslim or Hindu doctor refused to treat a Christian's child. Huge

I'm getting visions of Fox News' coverage of such an event.
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 02:35:56 PM »

Violates the doctors oath, but yes, bigotry is a sad side effect that comes with all the good associated with freedom of religion. I'm sure an actually decent human being (and doctor) will step up and help this couple.
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2015, 03:28:23 PM »

Disgusting. Hopefully there is some way to sanction this behavior.
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 04:21:36 PM »

Disgusting. Hopefully there is some way to sanction this behavior.

Yes, how dare people think differently than you!  Obviously beliefs must be criminalized!
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2015, 04:26:05 PM »

Imagine the uproar had the child been discriminated against because it was Black... or a ginger.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2015, 04:36:29 PM »

Imagine the uproar had the child been discriminated against because it was Black... or a ginger.

Black yes, but who cares about the damn gingers? More seriously, I hope there is an uproar and that the doctor loses business as a result.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2015, 04:41:11 PM »

And? The baby was just cared for by another doctor. The woman is dumb but really what does it matter?
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2015, 04:41:41 PM »

Disgusting. Hopefully there is some way to sanction this behavior.

Yes, how dare people think differently than you!  Obviously beliefs must be criminalized!

Those are regulated professions, and, usually, the internal rules forbid them to discriminate patients.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2015, 04:44:19 PM »

Disgusting. Hopefully there is some way to sanction this behavior.

Yes, how dare people think differently than you!  Obviously beliefs must be criminalized!

Those are regulated professions, and, usually, the internal rules forbid them to discriminate patients.

If those beliefs had led to the action of the baby not getting needed care, I'd agree with you that official sanction would be warranted.  But that isn't what happened.
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