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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 01:05:11 AM »

There was actually an argument in Canadian political science developed in the 60s (based on Hartz's fragments theories) which maintained that while Canada was also a predominantly "liberal" society, it also had a "Tory touch" (traditional collectivist noblesse-oblige conservatism) that made Canada more amenable to socialist ideas.

But I don't agree that the Liberals were 19th century liberals.  In the early 20th century they were "reform liberals" and sort of represented the left-wing of the bourgeoisie.  Labour sought to displace the Liberals because they were the main competitor on the center-left of the spectrum.  In the 1929 election, Keynes developed their economic program.  Tony Benn's father was a former Liberal MP. 

The Conservatives may have been more "noblesse oblige" in the 50s and 60s, but it was also the main party of the wealthy who were turning against the "grand compromise" of the postwar period.  While Margaret Thatcher and Keith Joseph certainly ran up against traditionalist elements, I think the Conservative Party made the most logical sense to transform along neoliberal lines, given that it was the main alternative to Labour and the party of choice of the country's elites.



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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 04:01:09 AM »

Another (more cynical) way to view the LibDems is that to win seats as... varied... as Brent Central/Redcar and Westmorland & Lonsdale/Twickenham at the same time, your only real electoral strategy is one of shameless local level populism, supported by very well targeted tactical votes and protest voters.

I doubt 99% of the Americans ITT understand the reference. Please clarify.

Brent Central is an inner city, ethnically diverse, London constituency.
Redcar is an industrial constituency in the north of England in one of the areas of the UK which has been struggling most economically.
Twickenham is a prosperous suburban area in west/south-west London.
Westmorland & Lonsdale is a largely rural constituency with an economy dominated by tourism.

That all these constituencies currently have MPs from the same party, and one which holds under 10% of the seats in the Commons, is not what you would expect.
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 02:16:01 PM »

But I never understood why the old Liberal Party began to decline to begin with.

An issue that has been hotly debated since the moment it happened. But I think the answer is clear enough:

I'd actually argue that what did for them as a major party was not electoral incompetence, so much as political incompetence, specifically the sort that led to a) British involvement in the First World War and b) the subsequent gross mismanagement of the war effort by the Asquith government. Liberal Party factionalism - Asquith and Lloyd George both led separate Liberal Parties at the 1918 and 1922 elections; the Party only unified again in time for the 1923 election - added considerably to this credibility problem, and it is notable that the only senior Liberal with any mass credibility in the 1920s was David Lloyd George, who's populist image - never typical of a party dominated by a narrow circle of patrician and would-be patrician1 Oxbridge men - was only reinforced by his record as a wartime Coalition Prime Minister. There was also the great damage that the War had done to the general credibility of Liberalism across in Britain; what did it even mean to be a Liberal after 1914? Peace, Free Trade and Progress were key to Liberalism's prewar appeal, and the War had either destroyed or grossly distorted all three.2 To all of this we can then add a further act of gross political incompetence; Asquith's decision to pull support from MacDonald's minority Labour government in 1923 and trigger an immediate General Election. This was stupid for two reasons; the first was that elections in 1922 and 1924 had left the Liberal Party as bankrupt financially as it was politically, and the second was Asquith toppled the Labour government due to some trumped-up red scare bullsh!t, which guaranteed that the election would be fought in an atmosphere of anti-Soviet hysteria (infamously added to - and how - by the Zinoviev Letter). The Liberal Party's core lower middle class support stampeded to the Tories and the Liberals never recovered.

Not that the Liberals were ever really that good at elections, mind. The campaign against the Corn Laws in the mid 19th century gave them such a great winning issue that sixty years later it was still at the core of Liberal electioneering:




Unsympathetic people might suggest that this was perhaps a little complacent.

1. i.e. H.H. Asquith (never Herbert!), the son of a West Riding wool merchant who spent a lifetime purging all remaining traces of his provincial background, including and especially his embarrassing Christian name.

2. Progress in the Edwardian Liberal sense was linked to technological progress and the rise of the machine, i.e. the very things that led to the horror of mechanised war.

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