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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 12:45:53 AM »

People dislike her because it's the popular thing to do.

"Fancy" was one of my favorite songs in 2014.

False. I thought she was an imitator when she dropped that Kendrick imitation song.
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 01:00:55 AM »

She seems to get more crap as a white female rapper than white male rappers do. I don't understand why sjw's could still celebrate Eminem getting a Grammy after he threatened to rape her, but it's not really my area of expertise.
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 03:22:05 AM »

Beyond awful. Talk about her music all you want - unlike other white rappers, like Slug or Macklemore, she blatantly tries to appropriate and exploit African-American culture to make money. Slug had his story-telling ability, Eminem had funny quips, Yelawolf has "redneck rap", and Macklemore has a SJW/indie-pop edge to him. However, Iggy Azalea has a stunning lack of substance that doesn't set her apart from any other rapper, and seems to only be getting by on the color of her skin.


Let's not pretend they don't have a history of disproportionately going after young women.

Get the f**k out of here. There's a huge difference between a black American appropriating a Cockney accent and a white American adopting an African-American/Atlanta accent.
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2015, 04:52:00 AM »

She seems to get more crap as a white female rapper than white male rappers do. I don't understand why sjw's could still celebrate Eminem getting a Grammy after he threatened to rape her, but it's not really my area of expertise.

I haven't heard any celebration of that from any 'SJW' of my acquaintance, and there are several.
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2015, 09:23:09 AM »


Let's not pretend they don't have a history of disproportionately going after young women.

I don't know about that; the same people who hate Igloo also hate Macklemore.

Sure, but not to the same extent. We never saw Anonymous get involved and threaten Macklemore.

I mean, intending to use a hypothetical sex tape as a weapon? That's some pretty pure misogynistic bullsh**t.
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2015, 09:44:58 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2015, 11:28:30 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2015, 12:14:49 PM »


Oh that?

A little trashy with a putrid smell that seems to draw in all the maggots of the streets.  So I guess HP.
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2015, 12:55:06 PM »

Beyond awful. Talk about her music all you want - unlike other white rappers, like Slug or Macklemore, she blatantly tries to appropriate and exploit African-American culture to make money. Slug had his story-telling ability, Eminem had funny quips, Yelawolf has "redneck rap", and Macklemore has a SJW/indie-pop edge to him. However, Iggy Azalea has a stunning lack of substance that doesn't set her apart from any other rapper, and seems to only be getting by on the color of her skin.


Let's not pretend they don't have a history of disproportionately going after young women.

Get the f**k out of here. There's a huge difference between a black American appropriating a Cockney accent and a white American adopting an African-American/Atlanta accent.

Sure, but Goldfield's point was about misogyny specifically. I respect your knowledge on this subject, so I'll ask you this as from a student to teacher (and nathan feel free to chime in as well) do you think there's any reason why the numerous rappers you held up as "good" rapper alternatives to a problematic female rapper, are all men?
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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2015, 03:50:40 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2015, 03:56:06 PM by Sawx, King in the North »

Beyond awful. Talk about her music all you want - unlike other white rappers, like Slug or Macklemore, she blatantly tries to appropriate and exploit African-American culture to make money. Slug had his story-telling ability, Eminem had funny quips, Yelawolf has "redneck rap", and Macklemore has a SJW/indie-pop edge to him. However, Iggy Azalea has a stunning lack of substance that doesn't set her apart from any other rapper, and seems to only be getting by on the color of her skin.


Let's not pretend they don't have a history of disproportionately going after young women.

Get the f**k out of here. There's a huge difference between a black American appropriating a Cockney accent and a white American adopting an African-American/Atlanta accent.

Sure, but Goldfield's point was about misogyny specifically. I respect your knowledge on this subject, so I'll ask you this as from a student to teacher (and nathan feel free to chime in as well) do you think there's any reason why the numerous rappers you held up as "good" rapper alternatives to a problematic female rapper, are all men?

I'm fairly sure you misunderstood the last sentence (I didn't outright say her name, but I was basically describing Nicki Minaj there). I mentioned the other male rappers in the first part because they all were white and had ways to set themselves apart. Hell, if you want female rappers, there's the whole "hipster rap" thing going on with Kreayshawn and that crowd. What I was trying to say was that most white rappers simply put their own spin on a genre that's predominantly African-American. However, Iggy Azalea is a white girl's shameless, awful imitation of southern rap, and her music is nothing short of blackface without the makeup.

I guarantee you - in ten years, she will be the Vanilla Ice of our time.
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« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2015, 04:59:18 PM »

Ok, so basically the rap world is still so male-dominated that once we start talking about any subset (such as "white rappers with ways to set themselves apart") we get an overwhelmingly if not exclusively male group. (Not that that excuses any of Iggy's appropriation as you've outlined.)
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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2015, 05:04:42 PM »

Ok, so basically the rap world is still so male-dominated that once we start talking about any subset (such as "white rappers with ways to set themselves apart") we get an overwhelmingly if not exclusively male group. (Not that that excuses any of Iggy's appropriation as you've outlined.)

Yes - especially among white rappers in general.
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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2015, 05:46:39 PM »

Ok, so basically the rap world is still so male-dominated that once we start talking about any subset (such as "white rappers with ways to set themselves apart") we get an overwhelmingly if not exclusively male group. (Not that that excuses any of Iggy's appropriation as you've outlined.)

That's basically my impression, and it's a large part of why I don't like rap in practice very much even though it appeals to a lot of my aesthetic sensibilities in theory (since it's basically the love child of talking blues and Mahler-style allusions and sampling, both of which I love).
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2015, 06:10:48 PM »

FF because she's made so many salty.
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« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2015, 06:10:49 PM »

Her songs are awful, and yet still better than this thread.
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« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2015, 06:15:41 PM »

FF because I can't see why she's worse than most pop singer or rapper. BTW this whole being angry at a artist for "racial appropriation" is sickening.
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« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2015, 06:17:36 PM »

BTW this whole being angry at a artist for "racial appropriation" is sickening.

Strong words. Why 'sickening' and not just 'excessive' or 'uncalled-for' or something like that?
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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2015, 06:26:12 PM »

lol classic ingemann
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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2015, 06:27:13 PM »

BTW this whole being angry at a artist for "racial appropriation" is sickening.

Strong words. Why 'sickening' and not just 'excessive' or 'uncalled-for' or something like that?

Because when I read such statements, I get this bad feeling in my gut. That feeling is not "uncalled-for" or "excessive" it's "sickening".

Also this idea that you can steal cultural elements from another culture rather than just adopt them, is a sign of a person who are unable to set the modern world in a historical perspective, and a sign of the person thinking there pure cultures.  
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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2015, 06:30:16 PM »

BTW this whole being angry at a artist for "racial appropriation" is sickening.

Strong words. Why 'sickening' and not just 'excessive' or 'uncalled-for' or something like that?

Because when I read such statements, I get this bad feeling in my gut. That feeling is not "uncalled-for" or "excessive" it's "sickening".

Okay, fair enough.

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You really don't see a difference between good-faith, mutual cultural exchange and blithely helping oneself to a grab-bag of traditions and aesthetic sensibilities airlifted in from other cultures wholesale? It's basically the same as the difference between literary allusion and plagiarism...
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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2015, 06:40:16 PM »

BTW this whole being angry at a artist for "racial appropriation" is sickening.

Strong words. Why 'sickening' and not just 'excessive' or 'uncalled-for' or something like that?

Because when I read such statements, I get this bad feeling in my gut. That feeling is not "uncalled-for" or "excessive" it's "sickening".

Okay, fair enough.

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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2015, 07:28:41 PM »

Get the f**k out of here. There's a huge difference between a black American appropriating a Cockney accent and a white American adopting an African-American/Atlanta accent.

Well, there shouldn't be. Time to move on.
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« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2015, 07:58:47 PM »

I am yet to find a way to care about cultural appropriation that does not rely on some pretty disturbing premises.

The only thing I know about this person is that she's some sort of artist who is a fan of Fukuyama. That was bizarre enough to get her an FF vote from me.
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« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2015, 08:51:55 PM »

Btw here are some of her tweets people have been talking about:

http://thatgrapejuice.net/2014/05/iggy-azalea-hit-fresh-racism-claims-billboard-music-awards-performance/
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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2015, 08:59:21 PM »

Get the f**k out of here. There's a huge difference between a black American appropriating a Cockney accent and a white American adopting an African-American/Atlanta accent.

Well, there shouldn't be. Time to move on.

Of course. The situation of the people of the East End of London is on par with the suffering of the black community in America. How could I be so foolish?
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