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« on: February 21, 2015, 03:23:10 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2015, 03:53:52 PM »

I'm sorry if I"m mistaken, but isn't this the Court's prerogative not to give certiorari for a case?
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2015, 07:03:43 AM »

I support this. End the vile McCarthyite tactics of this pathetic administration.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2015, 08:21:59 AM »

I'm sorry if I"m mistaken, but isn't this the Court's prerogative not to give certiorari for a case?

I was under this impression as well...
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2015, 02:22:12 PM »

That unfortunately does not seem to be the case:

I don't believe we have any discretion in whether or not to hear a trial. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. If the Justice department wishes to proceed with this despite the concerns raised we will assign a justice to preside.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2015, 02:24:04 PM »

Even if you don't think that the current administration is participating in witchhunts, this would keep future administrations from attempting to. Besides, the Court should have a right to reject frivolous cases like Atlasia v. Ogis. I'll support this.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2015, 03:06:33 PM »

Okay. Well, under these circumstances, I guess this is sensible and I will support this act.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2015, 03:39:57 PM »

This doesn't make a lot of sense. We need to give both the prosecution and the defense a chance to present all of their arguments in order to make it possible for the Court to decide whether the case in question is of merit or frivolous.

But if you want to go ahead and pass this at least make sure the title of the bill is amended. To suggest that there have been any "witchhunts" is quite ridiculous and below the dignity of this body.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2015, 09:08:49 AM »

This doesn't make a lot of sense. We need to give both the prosecution and the defense a chance to present all of their arguments in order to make it possible for the Court to decide whether the case in question is of merit or frivolous.

But if you want to go ahead and pass this at least make sure the title of the bill is amended. To suggest that there have been any "witchhunts" is quite ridiculous and below the dignity of this body.


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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2015, 11:04:08 PM »

This doesn't make a lot of sense. We need to give both the prosecution and the defense a chance to present all of their arguments in order to make it possible for the Court to decide whether the case in question is of merit or frivolous.

But if you want to go ahead and pass this at least make sure the title of the bill is amended. To suggest that there have been any "witchhunts" is quite ridiculous and below the dignity of this body.

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2015, 06:14:28 AM »

I think that in the name of separation of powers, if anything else, the Supreme Court should have a prerogative to decide not to hear a case (with explanation provided, of course).
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2015, 12:23:33 PM »

Yes, I hold pretty much the same opinion as Kalwejt.
Thus, as stated, I think this is sensible, and support it.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2015, 01:33:21 PM »

My amendment:

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The current title is not acceptable.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2015, 02:03:54 PM »

I object to the amendment.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2015, 02:10:33 PM »


I believe the content of this act is strong statement enough.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2015, 02:16:22 PM »

Well, mostly I'd just prefer a vote on the amendment, especially because this legislation (including the title) was introduced on behalf of a constituent.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2015, 02:30:06 PM »

The bill as amended by Senator Cris has my 100% support.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2015, 03:53:03 PM »

People need to remember this dark and dreary time in the Atlasian judicial system. The bill's name will help with that.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2015, 10:06:00 AM »

People need to remember this dark and dreary time in the Atlasian judicial system. The bill's name will help with that.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2015, 10:14:03 AM »

People need to remember this dark and dreary time in the Atlasian judicial system. The bill's name will help with that.

I know you want to make statement, but I still think content of the bill is a strong statement enough. The Senate is already proceeding cringeworthy slowly, despite best efforts of our President-elect, so I see no point of prolonging passage of a bill that should easily pass for a title's sake.
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2015, 10:18:57 AM »

This doesn't make a lot of sense. We need to give both the prosecution and the defense a chance to present all of their arguments in order to make it possible for the Court to decide whether the case in question is of merit or frivolous.

I believe in independence of our Supreme Court. An independent court cannot take orders from the Attorney General to hear a case.

I'm sure the Court should be required to provide a satisfactory explanation why the certiorari has been resufed and that's good enough.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2015, 04:56:08 PM »

Senators a vote is now open on Cris's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain
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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2015, 05:12:52 PM »

Abstain,
I sincerely don't care about the name of a bill.
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2015, 06:16:49 PM »

Abstain

I sincerely don't care about the name of a bill.
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