MA: Amendment to Article I, Section 5 (Passed)

[Boston Bread]

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Sponsor: JCL

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

This was inspired out of the recent deadlock situation due to a serious level of inactivity by one of our assemblyman. Plus as one of architects of the amendment to add a lt gov to rectify a mistake I made by not putting something in to give him or her specific duties. I'm open to any ideas to improve the amendment and will work with my fellow assemblymen on this matter.

[Boston Bread]

What would constitute gross inactivity? 7 days of not posting and missing two votes in that period? That was the definition used in the amendment to Article I on inactivity.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

What would constitute gross inactivity? 7 days of not posting and missing two votes in that period? That was the definition used in the amendment to Article I on inactivity.

Four days or 2 votes

[TDAS04]

This is a good idea.  The Lt. Governor should have more responsibilities and there should be a way in which such ties may be broken.

[Hatman 🍁]

I oppose this. It's clearly a politic tactic for the right wing to gain a majority in the Assembly.

[Boston Bread]

I oppose this. It's clearly a politic tactic for the right wing to gain a majority in the Assembly.

The governor can still veto if there is a 2-2 vote with Lt. gov voting in favour, there won't be any change in the balance of power.

[windjammer]

Sorry for the interruption but when Crabcake will be removed from office (keep him in your thought and prayers considering his current problems), TDAS04 will appoint a new representative. So in the end, the 2-2 won't stay indefinitely.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I oppose this. It's clearly a politic tactic for the right wing to gain a majority in the Assembly.

This is no tactic to give the right a working majority. This is to encourage activity for the Lt. Governor. The left would benefit from this as well.

[Hatman 🍁]

Sorry for the interruption but when Crabcake will be removed from office (keep him in your thought and prayers considering his current problems), TDAS04 will appoint a new representative. So in the end, the 2-2 won't stay indefinitely.

Ahh, I hadn't seen his "attention whore" thread until now. I was wondering he was posting elsewhere but not here.  I will certainly keep him in my thoughts.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

As opposed to anything about inactivity, maybe we can institute this in case where the time for a vote has expired and it is a tie.

[Boston Bread]

I agree with Shua, what does everyone think about this amendment to the amendment?

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[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I agree with Shua, what does everyone think about this amendment to the amendment?

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The amendment is hostile.

[Boston Bread]

The reason I introduced my amendment is because my view is that a 2-2 tie that was the result of an abstention should be able to be broken. But I think now that if one legislator is missing for a short time, then there should be a restriction so that a 2-2 tie cannot be broken, so I acknowledge JCL's objection to removing all restrictions.

I withdraw my previous amendment, and I am proposing this amendment instead.

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Edit: made 4 more clear
Edit: included the typo Shua found in 2.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

The reason I introduced my amendment is because my view is that a 2-2 tie that was the result of an abstention should be able to be broken. But I think now that if one legislator is missing for a short time, then there should be a restriction so that a 2-2 tie cannot be broken, so I acknowledge JCL's objection to removing all restrictions.

I withdraw my previous amendment, and I am proposing this amendment instead.

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This is much better Mr. Speaker. It also tidys up clause 4. So.... I give it a friendly amendment.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

is that (a, b, OR c) or (a, b, AND c)?

I still don't think we need to bring "gross inactivity" into it. How about this?

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Also, what does clause 2 mean? What "previous rights, priviliges and responsibilities" does this speak of and where are these listed?

[Boston Bread]

My intention was that 3. would come into affect if any of 4a. 4b. or 4c. were true.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

is that (a, b, OR c) or (a, b, AND c)?

I still don't think we need to bring "gross inactivity" into it. How about this?

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Also, what does clause 2 mean? What "previous rights, priviliges and responsibilities" does this speak of and where are these listed?

Clause 2 is a confirmation of the powers already invested.

@New Canadaland's interpretation of clause 4 is totally accurate.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Where are the powers of the LG invested if not in the Constitution?

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Where are the powers of the LG invested if not in the Constitution?

The powers are listed in the section on the governor.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Where are the powers of the LG invested if not in the Constitution?

The powers are listed in the section on the governor.

If it is in a different part of the Constitution, and we aren't changing that part of the Constitution, we don't need to add something to the Constitution saying we aren't changing it.

[Boston Bread]

We should decide on whether we should have a vote on my or Shua's amendment. The two amendments are contradictory, after all.

[TDAS04]

Shua's amendment makes sense to me.  Regardless of the Lt. Governor's politics (which may change with a change in Lt. Governor), he should just be able to break a tie when there is one after voting time has expired.

[Boston Bread]

JCL, do you consider Shua's amendment friendly? If so I will call a vote on it.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

JCL, do you consider Shua's amendment friendly? If so I will call a vote on it.

If clause four stays it is. Otherwise no. The change to clause 3 is fine but the question is over clause 4.