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« on: February 24, 2015, 02:26:00 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/congress-sends-keystone-bill-obama-plans-veto-29181671

The White House announced he's going to veto it today, after it passed the Senate last Thursday 62-38 and the House earlier in February 270 - 152.


This is just the beginning, folks. This may be only his 3rd, and Obama's last veto was in October 2010 on some obscure bill dealing with legal papers notarized out of state, but since the Republican Congress convened in January, the President has issued over a dozen veto threats as McConnell and Boehner line up legislation opposing him on healthcare, energy, taxes, etc.

Republicans are just a bit short of the votes needed in both the House and Senate to override his veto, but they are considering trying. Additionally, they may simply slip it into a bill dealing with the budget or security.

Stay tuned!
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2015, 02:33:32 PM »

It needs to stay alive even if it does get pushed into some other larger bill.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2015, 02:36:44 PM »

Make him veto it every single day for the rest of his term.

The public is behind it. He hasn't given any legitimate reason why he's against it. This is a joke.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2015, 02:43:21 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2015, 02:47:51 PM »

Make him veto it every single day for the rest of his term.

The public is behind it. He hasn't given any legitimate reason why he's against it. This is a joke.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2015, 03:43:01 PM »

And there it is.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2015, 03:47:19 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2015, 03:48:25 PM »

I like how this was the first order of business of the new GOP Congress and it took 54 days to get to the President's desk. This, a bill we all knew was going to get vetoed and didn't really face any strong enough opposition in either House. Congress is just awful, just terrible in its inefficiency.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2015, 03:50:42 PM »

Make him veto it every single day for the rest of his term.

The public is behind it. He hasn't given any legitimate reason why he's against it. This is a joke.

It needs to stay alive even if it does get pushed into some other larger bill.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2015, 03:54:09 PM »

Make him veto it every single day for the rest of his term.

The public is behind it. He hasn't given any legitimate reason why he's against it. This is a joke.

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What a joke. He had no intention of ever giving a decision one way or another, thus de facto killing it.

Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2015, 03:55:56 PM »

It's not really guaranteed an oil pipeline would provide any money for the economy at this point in time. In an economic sense, delaying it could help us in its eventual economic benefit as the political pressure won't cave in until oil prices rise and thus it would stimulate the oil industry exactly when we need it stimulated.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2015, 04:02:56 PM »

Putting a pipeline close to farmland is a hazardous idea. In the event of a spill, soil could be irreparably damaged and that would open up major issues for the agriculture industry. If he did approve it and there was a spill, he'd get blamed for it and Republicans would pretend as if they never supported it.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2015, 04:14:49 PM »

Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.

The economy will be fine minus those 50 permanent jobs + whatever cleanup jobs come up after spills.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2015, 04:20:12 PM »

Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.

The economy will be fine minus those 50 permanent jobs + whatever cleanup jobs come up after spills.

Exactly, the pipeline is a net liability because a spill will occur at some point if it was built.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2015, 04:24:43 PM »

What I find funniest is the way Obama likes to fall back on "Protocol" as some sort of legitimate issue when he's the guy who decided to unilaterally declare Congress in recess.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2015, 05:25:52 PM »

Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.

The economy will be fine minus those 50 permanent jobs + whatever cleanup jobs come up after spills.

Exactly, the pipeline is a net liability because a spill will occur at some point if it was built.


As opposed to all the spills that are happening when the oil is transported via other means?
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2015, 05:44:44 PM »

Make him veto it every single day for the rest of his term.

The public is behind it. He hasn't given any legitimate reason why he's against it. This is a joke.

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What a joke. He had no intention of ever giving a decision one way or another, thus de facto killing it.

Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2015, 05:46:20 PM »

Make him veto it every single day for the rest of his term.

The public is behind it. He hasn't given any legitimate reason why he's against it. This is a joke.

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What a joke. He had no intention of ever giving a decision one way or another, thus de facto killing it.

Now the Republicans have forced his hand and proved that he would rather get donations from the Sierra Club than money for the economy.

Oh for ***** sake like the President gives a dick about donations from the Sierra Club.
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2015, 05:49:38 PM »

As opposed to all the spills that are happening when the oil is transported via other means?

Much of that oil won't be economical to squeeze out of Alberta's soil without this pipeline.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2015, 05:56:07 PM »

From what I've heard, I think it makes sense to approve the Keystone XL. 

That said, Republicans act like this is some enormous issue and the pipeline would save the economy.  It terms of the economy, it's meaningless.  For both sides, it's clearly more symbolic than anything. 

So, why not use this issue to compromise?  Liberals give in on the Keystone and in exchange, we get the Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank or improvements to the Clean Air Act.  That would make sense, no?
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2015, 06:02:16 PM »

Good! It's a step backwards from a policy standpoint as well as an environmental one.
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2015, 06:04:06 PM »

From what I've heard, I think it makes sense to approve the Keystone XL. 

That said, Republicans act like this is some enormous issue and the pipeline would save the economy.  It terms of the economy, it's meaningless.  For both sides, it's clearly more symbolic than anything. 

So, why not use this issue to compromise?  Liberals give in on the Keystone and in exchange, we get the Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank or improvements to the Clean Air Act.  That would make sense, no?
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2015, 06:06:59 PM »

From what I've heard, I think it makes sense to approve the Keystone XL. 

That said, Republicans act like this is some enormous issue and the pipeline would save the economy.  It terms of the economy, it's meaningless.  For both sides, it's clearly more symbolic than anything. 

So, why not use this issue to compromise?  Liberals give in on the Keystone and in exchange, we get the Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank or improvements to the Clean Air Act.  That would make sense, no?

Agreed.

However, I think Obama's made it quite clear he's done compromising.
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2015, 06:25:46 PM »

From what I've heard, I think it makes sense to approve the Keystone XL. 

That said, Republicans act like this is some enormous issue and the pipeline would save the economy.  It terms of the economy, it's meaningless.  For both sides, it's clearly more symbolic than anything. 

So, why not use this issue to compromise?  Liberals give in on the Keystone and in exchange, we get the Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank or improvements to the Clean Air Act.  That would make sense, no?

Agreed.

However, I think Obama's made it quite clear he's done compromising.

It was your party who refused to compromise with Obama to begin with. Have you forgotten the past 6 years?
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2015, 06:28:49 PM »

Good.
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