Opinion of the execution of the Romanovs

[TNF]

I don't think there's such a thing as a freedom execution. All executions are murder and all murder is bad, justified or not.

So a slave murdering his overseer is bad?

[Murica!]

It was a necessity.

[Cassius]

Utterly awful.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I wish that the Romanov Dynasty was still around and Russia became a constitutional monarchy.  I also wish that Germany hadn't abolished the monarchy.  I think the Libyan and Ethiopian royalty should return too.

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al is talking the most sense on this thread. Was an extra judicial execution of an entire family including blameless innocents bad? Certainly. Is it as bad as some of the more wide-reaching crimes of both the Romanovs and the Bolshevisks? Also true.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Utterly awful.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

It's worth noting that even the people who actually killed the Romanovs weren't as uncritically thrilled about it as TNF and, apparently, oakvale seem to be...

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Freedom Execution. Royalty a grave offense against human decency.

Unlike actually putting a human in a grave?

The execution of the Romanov family is literally nothing compared to the amount of people who died as a direct result of said family's rule

Only one person executed actually ruled.

Not important. They were all royalty, which is grounds enough to liquidate them.

So, you support killing children for "crimes" committed by their parents?

[H. Ross Peron]

Freedom Execution. Royalty a grave offense against human decency.

Unlike actually putting a human in a grave?

The execution of the Romanov family is literally nothing compared to the amount of people who died as a direct result of said family's rule

Only one person executed actually ruled.

Not important. They were all royalty, which is grounds enough to liquidate them.

So do you believe certain bloodlines deserve to be liquidated?

[RosettaStoned]

 Freedom Execution; the Romanovs were responsible for the deaths of countless men, women and children.

[ingemann]

HE

[TNF]

In general, I do not believe that specific families need to be snuffed out. However, I do believe that in the context of the Romanov family, allowing any one of the Romanovs to live was more or less allowing for the Whites to claim a figurehead with which they could organize support and mobilize it from afar, and so the only option for the Bolsheviks in that context was to get rid of them, root and branch. I don't think that negates my previously stated position (all royals are criminals), because royalty is a crime in and of itself. No person should be permitted to declare themselves above and outside the community, and the community should be empowered to resist, by any means necessary anyone who attempts to do so. I suppose I have a very Roman view of the whole thing in that regard.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It's questionable whether you can really call it an execution; there was no trial and there weren't even any charges. We can't call it a lynching as it there was not thing spontaneous about it and it was carried out by state actors; assassination is out for other reasons. I think that leaves us with murder. Semantics are sometimes important.

Anyway, Nikolai Alexandrovich was not a very sympathetic man and his wife was not particularly pleasant either. While it's hard to justify the straight-up political murder of a pair of (by now) harmless civilians, it's hard to feel particularly sorry either. And his last words - 'What?! What?!' - are darkly hilarious. It was wrong (and yes absolutely a crime), but barely justifies a place in the catalogue of horrors of the new Bolshevik regime.

The murder of their children and retinue though...

Well, being utterly practical, if I were in the Soviet's shoes, I would be very uneasy with the possibility of Tsarevich Alexei falling into the Kolchak's hands and all the implications.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

In general, I do not believe that specific families need to be snuffed out. However, I do believe that in the context of the Romanov family, allowing any one of the Romanovs to live was more or less allowing for the Whites to claim a figurehead with which they could organize support and mobilize it from afar, and so the only option for the Bolsheviks in that context was to get rid of them, root and branch. I don't think that negates my previously stated position (all royals are criminals), because royalty is a crime in and of itself. No person should be permitted to declare themselves above and outside the community, and the community should be empowered to resist, by any means necessary anyone who attempts to do so. I suppose I have a very Roman view of the whole thing in that regard.

You realize that the Monarchy was unpopular with many of the Whites?  Even if the Whites won I doubt that absolute monarchy would be coming back.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I think the Libyan and Ethiopian royalty should return too.

For what freaking purpose? The Idris monarchy was pretty much a Cyrenaica-based firm either exploiting or neglecting the rest of Libya. Since Libya has now problems with keeping the whole country together, their return is the last thing needed.

Please educate yourself before posting instead of spewing your "yay, every monarchy is cool" crap.

[ingemann]

In general, I do not believe that specific families need to be snuffed out. However, I do believe that in the context of the Romanov family, allowing any one of the Romanovs to live was more or less allowing for the Whites to claim a figurehead with which they could organize support and mobilize it from afar, and so the only option for the Bolsheviks in that context was to get rid of them, root and branch. I don't think that negates my previously stated position (all royals are criminals), because royalty is a crime in and of itself. No person should be permitted to declare themselves above and outside the community, and the community should be empowered to resist, by any means necessary anyone who attempts to do so. I suppose I have a very Roman view of the whole thing in that regard.

You realize that the Monarchy was unpopular with many of the Whites?  Even if the Whites won I doubt that absolute monarchy would be coming back.

Yes especially as absolutism was abolished in Russia in 1905.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

In general, I do not believe that specific families need to be snuffed out. However, I do believe that in the context of the Romanov family, allowing any one of the Romanovs to live was more or less allowing for the Whites to claim a figurehead with which they could organize support and mobilize it from afar, and so the only option for the Bolsheviks in that context was to get rid of them, root and branch. I don't think that negates my previously stated position (all royals are criminals), because royalty is a crime in and of itself. No person should be permitted to declare themselves above and outside the community, and the community should be empowered to resist, by any means necessary anyone who attempts to do so. I suppose I have a very Roman view of the whole thing in that regard.

You realize that the Monarchy was unpopular with many of the Whites?  Even if the Whites won I doubt that absolute monarchy would be coming back.

Yes especially as absolutism was abolished on paper in Russia in 1905.

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[ingemann]

In general, I do not believe that specific families need to be snuffed out. However, I do believe that in the context of the Romanov family, allowing any one of the Romanovs to live was more or less allowing for the Whites to claim a figurehead with which they could organize support and mobilize it from afar, and so the only option for the Bolsheviks in that context was to get rid of them, root and branch. I don't think that negates my previously stated position (all royals are criminals), because royalty is a crime in and of itself. No person should be permitted to declare themselves above and outside the community, and the community should be empowered to resist, by any means necessary anyone who attempts to do so. I suppose I have a very Roman view of the whole thing in that regard.

You realize that the Monarchy was unpopular with many of the Whites?  Even if the Whites won I doubt that absolute monarchy would be coming back.

Yes especially as absolutism was abolished on paper in Russia in 1905.

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Was Russia a democracy after 1905, not even by the low standards of the time. But here's the thing, absolutism means the Monarch rule with no limitations. He no longer did that after 1905, Russia was no longer a absolut regime, there was limitations on his power.

[TNF]

Pretending that the Duma was anything other than a fig-leaf for absolutism is cute

[Dr. Cynic]

I don't think there's such a thing as a freedom execution. All executions are murder and all murder is bad, justified or not.

So a slave murdering his overseer is bad?

Murder is a bad thing. To act like it isn't is nonsense. It may be justified in that instance, but killing isn't ever a good thing.

[TNF]

Pretending that we shouldn't take into account the conditions under which one kills is what "isn't a good thing," because it confines those who defend others, or those who rebel against unjust authority as just as wrong in those cases as those who seek to rape, murder, maim, or oppress other people. That's not morality. Morality without context is immorality.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I think the Libyan and Ethiopian royalty should return too.

For what freaking purpose? The Idris monarchy was pretty much a Cyrenaica-based firm either exploiting or neglecting the rest of Libya. Since Libya has now problems with keeping the whole country together, their return is the last thing needed.

Please educate yourself before posting instead of spewing your "yay, every monarchy is cool" crap.

I remember hearing in 2011 that there was a sizable portion of the Libyan population wanted the monarchy back.  I should read more about it I guess.  I read a book about Qaddafi that never really got into the monarchy except that Qaddafi overthrew it in a coup.

I don't like every monarchy, for instance I despise the House of Saud.

[DC Al Fine]

The executions of Nicholas and Alexandra were lean FEs (I mean, not really, since they're still executions, but within that context); the executions of their children and several of their servants

TNF do you think Sascha and Malia Obama deserve death? (assuming you think their father deserves execution)

Yes, and apparently the intern that gets their drycleaning should be crucified or something.

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

The executions of Nicholas and Alexandra were lean FEs (I mean, not really, since they're still executions, but within that context); the executions of their children and several of their servants

TNF do you think Sascha and Malia Obama deserve death? (assuming you think their father deserves execution)

Yes, and apparently the intern that gets their drycleaning should be crucified or something.

No you see the U.S. is a ~republic~ so that would be super unacceptable.

Shooting Prince George in the face, though, that's cool. Bastard would have it coming, and morals are for wimpy weak-kneed capitalistic liberals anyway, unlike REAL MAN SOCIALISTS.

[Rockefeller GOP]

It was a necessity.

Killing their children and servants wasn't.

As for the OP, it wasn't an execution; it was several counts of murder.  However, if I'm going to use this poll's terminology, it's so clearly an HE that it's funny to argue otherwise.