Sunday Rest Act (Failed)

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Sponsor: Windjammer

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I'm obviously supportive of people practising their religion, but a blanket permission that extends only to Christians is a bit counter-productive.

[windjammer]

I'm obviously supportive of people practising their religion, but a blanket permission that extends only to Christians is a bit counter-productive.

What do you mean Polnut?
If you want to extend to every religion, well, I would of course be supportive of that.

[TNF]

I think this is problematic for a number of reasons, the biggest of which is that it designates specifically a day of rest on a day traditionally observed as such by Christians only. If we are going to go down this road, we should make exemptions for Muslims not to work on Friday and Jews not to work on Saturday, no?

Or, alternatively, we might propose the following:

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All of the numbers here reflect the fact that we have a 32 hour workweek in Atlasia.

[windjammer]

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I obviously see no problem with that. Considering we have a 32 hour work week legislation, I don't think it would be difficult to implement that.

[Cranberry]

TNF, especially section 1, clause 1 could become very problematic in fields like seasonal tourism, where it often it is just not manageable to have times off for 72 hours in a row, this for all employees. This might not be a problem with a 9-5 job or some sorts of industrial job, but I'd guess this would really be problematic in the service industry...

[TNF]

TNF, especially section 1, clause 1 could become very problematic in fields like seasonal tourism, where it often it is just not manageable to have times off for 72 hours in a row, this for all employees. This might not be a problem with a 9-5 job or some sorts of industrial job, but I'd guess this would really be problematic in the service industry...

The service industry can adapt by hiring more workers to fill those spots that would necessarily be vacant or automate functions.

[Cranberry]

TNF, especially section 1, clause 1 could become very problematic in fields like seasonal tourism, where it often it is just not manageable to have times off for 72 hours in a row, this for all employees. This might not be a problem with a 9-5 job or some sorts of industrial job, but I'd guess this would really be problematic in the service industry...

The service industry can adapt by hiring more workers to fill those spots that would necessarily be vacant or automate functions.

Such will in the vast majority of cases not be possible, at least not to the extent needed, I suspect.

[Senator Cris]

I object.

[TNF]

TNF, especially section 1, clause 1 could become very problematic in fields like seasonal tourism, where it often it is just not manageable to have times off for 72 hours in a row, this for all employees. This might not be a problem with a 9-5 job or some sorts of industrial job, but I'd guess this would really be problematic in the service industry...

The service industry can adapt by hiring more workers to fill those spots that would necessarily be vacant or automate functions.

Such will in the vast majority of cases not be possible, at least not to the extent needed, I suspect.

There are lots of people out of work right now that could be put to work. I don't see what the issue is. If we need more workers, open up the borders and invite them to come here.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't really see the need for this legislation, considering that we already have a 32-hour work week, strong unions, and guaranteed vacation laws (I think?). This is an area where it's better to leave it to up to workers and business owners to negotiate their time off based on what best fits their schedules.

[Cranberry]

TNF, especially section 1, clause 1 could become very problematic in fields like seasonal tourism, where it often it is just not manageable to have times off for 72 hours in a row, this for all employees. This might not be a problem with a 9-5 job or some sorts of industrial job, but I'd guess this would really be problematic in the service industry...

The service industry can adapt by hiring more workers to fill those spots that would necessarily be vacant or automate functions.

Such will in the vast majority of cases not be possible, at least not to the extent needed, I suspect.

There are lots of people out of work right now that could be put to work. I don't see what the issue is. If we need more workers, open up the borders and invite them to come here.

Mostly because one employer cannot sustain an infinite number of employees? I obviously don't speak of big chains, but local restaurants, local non-chain hotels, etc. etc.

[TNF]

That doesn't make any sense. Employing more people means more money in circulation which means more spending on services which means more employment. Sure, there are cases in which there will be some employers unable to operate under the proposed legislation. I don't particularly care about those employers. They can go under for all its worth, given that the people we should actually be most concerned about (the workers) will be more or less fine with our extended welfare state that includes expansive unemployment insurance and a universal basic income program.

[Cranberry]

So you are content with letting the last bit of middle class employers and small businesses that are still left in this country die, and let their place be taken by big chains?

[bore]

Senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain

[Senator Cris]

Nay

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY


3.3 is positively terrible. "No person shall...unless everyone is recieving at least 32". If a worker is less productive, then the employer shouldn't be forced to have them work the same amount of hours. Also if the task they are allowed to do required a less amount whilst, another task by nature requires more hours to complete. It is just too heavy handed and would hurt productivity.

[Lief 🗽]

Nay

We should empower workers, through their unions, to bargain for the breaks and holidays that make the most sense for them and their employers. These new restrictions would be unnecessary.

[windjammer]

Nay

[TNF]

So you are content with letting the last bit of middle class employers and small businesses that are still left in this country die, and let their place be taken by big chains?

I don't give a sh#t about the 'middle class'

my constituency is the working class

AYE

[bore]

Nay

This has enough votes to fail, senators have 24 hours to change their votes

[Cranberry]

Nay

So you are content with letting the last bit of middle class employers and small businesses that are still left in this country die, and let their place be taken by big chains?

I don't give a sh#t about the 'middle class'

my constituency is the working class

I reiterate - do you rather see all workplaces being offered by big corporations than by small businesses?

[bore]

My general opinion when it comes to any type of freedom of conscience (and religion is obviously included in that) is that a two tier system should apply. There are some issues where the conscience right is secondary, for instance an A and E doctor who does not believe he can work on a sunday. In this case the patient's right to be treated overrides his conscience and if the doctor can't meet the requirements he should not be hired. That side, if it's possible, it should be encouraged for the work schedule, say, to take into account this belief and mean he never has to work on sundays.

In other cases the conscience right is of primary importance, for instance the right not to join the army. No matter the circumstances we should not force people to join the army.

I think it's pretty clear this is a secondary type of conscience issue, which means I think this bill is a good idea, but is probably slightly too vaguely worded. Perhaps the focus should instead be on how we can encourage employers to take this sort of thing into account.

[Senator Cris]

Also Part V is pretty awful...