The Korean War

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An unprovoked invasion of a small country by North Korea, China and the USSR was not imperialist, but the multinational force under UN auspices defending them was?  Give me a break, that's insanity.  

Just curious, would you communists rather live in North Korea or South Korea right now?  

Because, it's hypocritical to want to consign other people to a life of unending misery and not want that life for yourself.

Indeed.  I would have supported the Korean War with hindsight, for sure.

I feel like Communists resort to a lot of special pleading.  For example, North Korea doesn't count as Communist because "Communism is stateless" ........ditto with imperialism and a lot of other terms.  It smacks of the stuff creationists use to disprove evolution by using a special definition of "science."

Well North Korea explicitly removed any mentions of Marxism from their constitution, so I think it's fair enough to say the DPRK doesn't really count. Also you know the whole heridatary monarchy in all but name thing amd the quasi-feudalism is rather, err, non-communistic.

[RFayette]

An unprovoked invasion of a small country by North Korea, China and the USSR was not imperialist, but the multinational force under UN auspices defending them was?  Give me a break, that's insanity.  

Just curious, would you communists rather live in North Korea or South Korea right now?  

Because, it's hypocritical to want to consign other people to a life of unending misery and not want that life for yourself.

Indeed.  I would have supported the Korean War with hindsight, for sure.

I feel like Communists resort to a lot of special pleading.  For example, North Korea doesn't count as Communist because "Communism is stateless" ........ditto with imperialism and a lot of other terms.  It smacks of the stuff creationists use to disprove evolution by using a special definition of "science."

Well North Korea explicitly removed any mentions of Marxism from their constitution, so I think it's fair enough to say the DPRK doesn't really count. Also you know the whole heridatary monarchy in all but name thing amd the quasi-feudalism is rather, err, non-communistic.

Yes, but North Koreans in their daily lives watch propaganda praising socialism and using Marxist language.  I agree that the full theoretical ideals of Communism haven't been realized, but it still is an example of a government instituted based on Communism existing today.

[Cory]

Of course.

Does anyone in the "no" column have an actual argument as to how the world would be a better place had the DPRK taken over South Korea entirely in 1950?

[TNF]

Of course.

Does anyone in the "no" column have an actual argument as to how the world would be a better place had the DPRK taken over South Korea entirely in 1950?

The DPRK almost certainly wouldn't have developed into hereditary dictatorship had it been just a little less isolated from the rest of the world.

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Of course.

Does anyone in the "no" column have an actual argument as to how the world would be a better place had the DPRK taken over South Korea entirely in 1950?

The DPRK almost certainly wouldn't have developed into hereditary dictatorship had it been just a little less isolated from the rest of the world.

...what, like taking over South Korea is the only way to accomplish that?

[TNF]

No, but it certainly would have helped. Most of the DPRK's issues are a combination of bad leadership, the influence of Stalin and Mao on its internal political life, and the degeneration of the international socialist movement. It was more or less doomed from the start, given the lack of revolution in any of the advanced industrial democracies in the period in which it existed.

[ingemann]

An unprovoked invasion of a small country by North Korea, China and the USSR was not imperialist, but the multinational force under UN auspices defending them was?  Give me a break, that's insanity.  

Just curious, would you communists rather live in North Korea or South Korea right now?  

Because, it's hypocritical to want to consign other people to a life of unending misery and not want that life for yourself.

Indeed.  I would have supported the Korean War with hindsight, for sure.

I feel like Communists resort to a lot of special pleading.  For example, North Korea doesn't count as Communist because "Communism is stateless" ........ditto with imperialism and a lot of other terms.  It smacks of the stuff creationists use to disprove evolution by using a special definition of "science."

Well North Korea explicitly removed any mentions of Marxism from their constitution, so I think it's fair enough to say the DPRK doesn't really count. Also you know the whole heridatary monarchy in all but name thing amd the quasi-feudalism is rather, err, non-communistic.

Yes, but North Koreans in their daily lives watch propaganda praising socialism and using Marxist language.  I agree that the full theoretical ideals of Communism haven't been realized, but it still is an example of a government instituted based on Communism existing today.

Maoism are pretty distinct from Communism, but still a recognisable sub ideology. Juche on the other hand... it seem more like a unholy hybrid between Stalinism, the Japanese imperial ideology and Korean Confucianism, taking the worst elements from each and mixing it into something much worse.

So no, while North Korea use the policy tools of Communism, I think Juche is distinct enough to not really fit into the Communist family. But neither would I as some put it into the Fascist family.