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  Which show is a more accurate representation of the US political system?
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The West Wing
 
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« on: March 04, 2015, 06:39:29 AM »

The West Wing obviously. Sure it has its flaws, but most of the time it tries to keep some semblance of plausibility. HoC is set in a parallel universe where every single person is either a sociopath or a complete moron who constantly gets fooled.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 06:47:38 AM »

I doubt even the producers of HoC would vote for it. It's obviously as retarded as possible for shock effect.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 07:35:47 AM »

House of Cards. West Wing is way too idealistic imo.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 07:43:44 AM »

House of Cards. West Wing is way too idealistic imo.

But still better about the grounding than the complete cynicism of HoC.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 07:46:46 AM »

House of Cards. West Wing is way too idealistic imo.

But still better about the grounding than the complete cynicism of HoC.


I'm a cynic when it comes to politics so perhaps that's why I said HoC.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 08:06:44 AM »

where every single person is either a sociopath or a complete moron who constantly gets fooled.

so Washington, basically.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 08:34:51 AM »

RuPaul's Drag Race.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 10:04:56 AM »

They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 11:30:50 AM »

For all the flaws of the idealized politics in the West Wing, it wins easily. At least it has some semblance to reality, and is not just a cartoonish parody ( don't know whether HoC intends to be the latter, but it certainly seems so at times).

Though House of Cards is not really a political show - every time their is any actual discussion of policy it feels boring, forced, or unrealistic (sometimes all three - at least that's my impression of the first two seasons). The politics of the West Wing is at least interesting at times, if somewhat hackish.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 12:20:35 PM »

Veep is the correct answer.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 12:34:09 PM »

They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.

^This^

The nauseating idealism and hackishness of the West Wing and the dark cynicism of House of Cards are equally unrealistic. The best tv-series to get a real sense of politics is Borgen, which doesn't really apply to the American political system.


Yeah it's certainly a better representation than both WW and HoC

 
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 12:57:13 PM »

I haven't watched either, so I have no clue.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 01:05:14 PM »

I'll nominate The Thick of It.
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 01:27:00 PM »

They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.

^This^

The nauseating idealism and hackishness of the West Wing and the dark cynicism of House of Cards are equally unrealistic. The best tv-series to get a real sense of politics is Borgen, which doesn't really apply to the American political system.

How exactly is Borgen any less idealistic than West Wing?
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 01:44:07 PM »

Obviously Cory in the House
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2015, 01:46:15 PM »

They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.

^This^

The nauseating idealism and hackishness of the West Wing and the dark cynicism of House of Cards are equally unrealistic. The best tv-series to get a real sense of politics is Borgen, which doesn't really apply to the American political system.

How exactly is Borgen any less idealistic than West Wing?

I could make a long list, but to name a few examples, Nyborg is constantly struggling with her popularity numbers (which for most of the series are implied to be bad), often has to compromise with her principles and ideals, alienate several friends and her husbands because of her job and ultimately, in the end, looses reelection and only gets to come back as a junior partner in the least worst of two bad coalition alternatives. She also has to be manipulating and conniving at times to outsmart people like Laugusen who belong more in House of Cards than anywhere else. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2015, 01:55:56 PM »

They're both equally laughable in the opposite directions.

^This^

The nauseating idealism and hackishness of the West Wing and the dark cynicism of House of Cards are equally unrealistic. The best tv-series to get a real sense of politics is Borgen, which doesn't really apply to the American political system.

How exactly is Borgen any less idealistic than West Wing?

I could make a long list, but to name a few examples, Nyborg is constantly struggling with her popularity numbers (which for most of the series are implied to be bad), often has to compromise with her principles and ideals, alienate several friends and her husbands because of her job and ultimately, in the end, looses reelection and only gets to come back as a junior partner in the least worst of two bad coalition alternatives. She also has to be manipulating and conniving at times to outsmart people like Laugusen who belong more in House of Cards than anywhere else. 

The West Wing also has plenty of backroom dealing and dirty tricks, and the US lawmaking process certainly isn't shown as something clean and smooth. The WW characters aren't exactly pure innocent wide-eyed idealistic heroes, they all have huge character flaws and act like assholes at one time ore another. While Bartlett ends up getting his way in terms of legislative outcomes far more often than would be realistic, so does Nyborg (come on, how many time in the show does a bill she supports actually end up failing?). And while WW got a bit silly when it comes to elections, the original script did have the Republican winning in 2006, and they only changed it to honor John Spencer's memory. I've watched both shows and, while they differ in many respects, the idealism/cynicism scale isn't one of them.
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2015, 02:46:13 PM »


Um, we're not technically American
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2015, 02:50:41 PM »


Neither is Denmark. Caveats about a different political system apply, obviously, but not hard to be more accurate than HoC or WW.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2015, 03:38:30 PM »

Write in:Alpha House
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2015, 04:14:23 PM »

The West Wing
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 05:16:13 PM »

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