Should Constantinople be returned to the Greeks

[The Free North]

Your opinion on this idea?

[Lief 🗽]

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[The Free North]

The purple phoenix shall rise once more, 1453 worst year

[Sol]

Umm, obviously not. There would be approximately zero people in Istanbul who would like that idea. It's mostly all Turkish now.*







*Which is of course a legacy of early 20th century ethnic cleansing, but that was long enough ago that it shouldn't really matter for modern borders.

[The Free North]

Thats all right I gave it back to them anyway

Thank you EU IV

[Simfan34]

Well, technically speaking if Constantinople were to be returned to anyone it would be the "Romans" of the Byzantine Empire, which we call "Greek" but a great many of whom have in actually ended up as Turks. Certainly the many of the Kayserler-i-Rum, who were frequently half-Polish, half-Greek, half-Albanian, and such, would agree with me. Certainly, the million-odd Greeks who "remained" in the Ottoman Empire by its end could not account for all of the Greeks who once populated Anatolia. As there's no record they all went somewhere else, it's apparent they at some point(s) ceased being Greek and became Turkish. To say nothing of the Ottomans in Greece.

So it could be said that "Kostantiniyye" remains in the hands of its rightful owners. But I suspect that Kemalism invalidates much of what I've just said. Either way, no, the city of Istanbul should not be handed over to the Hellenic Republic since I imagine most of its residents would not like to live in said country.

[politicus]

Its a shame it was never reconquered, but it is too late now.

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

eu4 is great, but it appears you're playing a pirated version. try that on el derado

[Simfan34]

Well, technically speaking if Constantinople were to be returned to anyone it would be the "Romans" of the Byzantine Empire, which we call "Greek" but a great many of whom have in actually ended up as Turks. Certainly the many of the Kayserler-i-Rum, who were frequently half-Polish, half-Greek, half-Albanian, and such, would agree with me. Certainly, the million-odd Greeks who "remained" in the Ottoman Empire by its end could not account for all of the Greeks who once populated Anatolia. As there's no record they all went somewhere else, it's apparent they at some point(s) ceased being Greek and became Turkish. To say nothing of the Ottomans in Greece.

So it could be said that "Kostantiniyye" remains in the hands of its rightful owners. But I suspect that Kemalism invalidates much of what I've just said. Either way, no, the city of Istanbul should not be handed over to the Hellenic Republic since I imagine most of its residents would not like to live in said country. In any case I'm glad that I've been given an opportunity to spout my "Turks are Greeks and Greeks are Turks" theory.

While I'm still on my soapbox, can I just ask what the hell is going on with the Turkish letter "C"?  Seeing that as the phonemics of the Turkish alphabet are broadly similar to those of most other Latin alphabets, where did this one flagrant exception come from, and why was it decided that this was a good idea? Even "X", which they don't use, would have been less disingenuous. It may be worse than Kiribati.

[free my dawg]

what is this

[The Free North]

eu4 is great, but it appears you're playing a pirated version. try that on el derado

This was an old campaign, I believe it was after the release of Res Publica.

Glad to see there is another map staring expert on here!

[Lief 🗽]

I've been meaning to start an EU4 Byzantium playthrough for a while. I think conquering east into Persia and then to India to dominate the trade there could be a fun game.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Should've happened in WW1 as part of the treaty that forced Germany to take all the blame for the war.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     The once-and-future Emperor Constantine VII will return to lead us into glorious battle, and the Byzantine flag will once more fly over Constantinople.

[Adam Griffin]

Yes, throw the Turkish bums out

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

kebab removed 10/10

[free my dawg]

I've been meaning to start an EU4 Byzantium playthrough for a while. I think conquering east into Persia and then to India to dominate the trade there could be a fun game.

Yeah, that's my plan of action right now in EU3. Seal off the Euros from getting Egypt, conquer the rest of the Ottos, annex that orange vassal-blob to connect my empire together, and settle Persia while I wait for my BB to die down.