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« on: March 08, 2015, 03:46:41 PM »

Vote Shares (GB only)

Conservatives -
Labour -
Liberal Democrats -
UKIP -
Greens -
Scottish/Welsh Nationalist -

Seats

Conservatives -
Labour -
Liberal Democrats - 28
UKIP -
Greens - 1
SNP-
Plaid- 3
Galloway- 1
Other- 18

Likely Government - Labour minority

Scotland - Vote share and seats

Labour
SNP
Liberal Democrats - 1 seat
Conservative - 1 seat
Greens - 0 seats
UKIP - 0 seats
Others - 0 seats

Constituency winner (3 interesting seats per region and Nick Clegg's seat)

Gordon- SNP
Glasgow North- SNP
Stirling- SNP

Berwick Upon Tweed- Tory
Stockton South - Labour
Redcar- Labour

Bury North- Labour
Southport- LibDem
Heywood and Middleton- Labour

Rotherham- Labour
Colne Valley- Tory
Bradford West- Respect
Sheffield Hallam- LibDem (but essentially a toss-up at this point)

Boston and Skegness- Tory
Broxtowe- Labour
Loughborough- Labour

Worcester- Labour
Dudley South - Labour
Warwickshire North- Labour

Ynys Mon- Labour
Ceredigion- LibDem
Vale of Glamorgan- Tory

Camborne and Redruth- Tory
Bristol West- LibDem (thanks Greens)
Wells- Tory

Brighton Pavillion- Green (but Labour'll take the council)
Thanet South- UKIP
Rochester and Strood- UKIP

Kingston and Surbiton - LibDem
Battersea- Tory
Enfield North- Labour

Norwich South- Labour
Clacton- UKIP
Thurrock- Tory
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 06:35:29 AM »

It's highly unlikely that Labour would be behind in seats if they were ahead in votes.
Yeah, isn't it common wisdom that Conservative seats get more votes than Labour ones?

The SNP in Scotland basically cancels that out now.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 12:19:15 PM »

I can't see Labour going for full coalition with the SNP. Too messy.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 07:04:43 PM »

Perhaps a Parliament where the government is unable to pass just about any law it wants, but has to seek support from outside its own parliamentary party, will serve the country better than the usual Parliamentary dictatorship of a majority government.

Could be, but I think the setup the Tories have had with the LibDems has been quite obscene to many people on all sides when it has come to matters to do with mandate and manifestos.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 08:38:23 PM »

I can't see Labour going for full coalition with the SNP. Too messy.
I can't see Labour wanting to go into coalition with the SNP, and I don't see the SNP being stupid enough to enter a formal coalition - especially after what's happened to the Lib Dems.

OK, but my earlier question still remains, but in a somewhat different form: If the Conservatives end up at least a few seats ahead of Labour, yet Labour+SNP would form a majority, then does the SNP prop up a Labour minority government (if not with a formal "coalition"), even though Labour doesn't have the most seats?  Or would we more likely see a Conservative minority government in that case?  Is there any precedent for a minority government being run by a party that doesn't have a plurality of seats?


If the Tories are still the largest party on the Friday morning, Cameron has 2 weeks under the Fixed Terms Act to form a government. If he can't, Miliband gets asked, and so on until parliament's dissolved again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1923 - Labour forms its first (minority) government, despite finishing far back in second place 258-191, with C&S from the Libs on 158. The Tories lost their maj and the Liberals couldn't back them for the obvious reasons of them being the two historic parties and because the issue of the day was protectionism and tariffs and it was something the two'd never even come close to agreeing on. Labour lasted all of 10 months and the Tories then won a landslide.

I don't think precedent will matter all that much though, especially not when the only examples of such a mixed-up party system was 80-90 years ago.

Another one to look at here would be 1910-1920. The Libs squeaked past the Tories in seat count and got in 1910 on the back of the Irish. I'm sure you know the rest...

I often get annoyed by the Scotland/Quebec comparison, but Harper lasted 5 years without the Bloc in a Westminster System with (on paper) 'fixed term elections'.

And again, the SNP obviously won't say they'd do a deal with the Tories before the election, but then again, so did Nick Clegg last time. If I know anything about the SNP, it's that if they think a Tory gov will get them closer to independence than a Labour gov (and I think it will), then they'll "abstain" (prop the Tories up without actually having to prop them up).
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 06:56:24 PM »

Now, if Labour "needed" the SNP for the numbers, if they were clever, they could surely call their bluff and dare the SNP to vote them out, basically throwing the Tories a chance to form a new government.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2015, 10:39:16 AM »

Now, if Labour "needed" the SNP for the numbers, if they were clever, they could surely call their bluff and dare the SNP to vote them out, basically throwing the Tories a chance to form a new government.
That could be a brilliant move.  You could legitimately blame the SNP for a Tory entering 10 Downing Street.
But not everyone could be convinced.  Whether it is wise playing their bluff depends on what the cause of disagreement is.

Guys you're basically describing how Margaret Thatcher first became Prime Minister

Exactly. And we all know how that went down with people north of the border.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2015, 12:22:30 PM »

it's possible that the Kippers come up through the middle if they have a really good election.

In Southport? No.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 01:12:42 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2015, 02:36:41 PM by You kip if you want to... »

Vote Shares (GB only)

Conservatives - 33
Labour - 34.5
Liberal Democrats - 8.5
UKIP - 14
Greens - 3.5
Scottish/Welsh Nationalist - 4


Seats

Conservatives - 260 (-46)
Labour - 280 (+22)
Liberal Democrats - 26 (-31)
UKIP - 7 (+7)

Greens - 1
SNP- 53 (+47)
Plaid- 3
Galloway- 1 (+1)
Other- 19 (NI + Bercow)

Likely Government - Labour minority with SNP/Green/Plaid/NI tactical support

Scotland - Vote share and seats

Labour - 5 seats (Murphy reelected)
SNP - 53 seats
Liberal Democrats - 1 seat
Conservative - 0 seats

Greens - 0 seats
UKIP - 0 seats
Others - 0 seats

Constituency winner (3 interesting seats per region and Nick Clegg's seat)

Gordon- SNP
Glasgow North- SNP
Stirling- SNP

Berwick Upon Tweed- Tory
Stockton South - Labour
Redcar- Labour

Bury North- Labour
Southport- LibDem
Heywood and Middleton- Labour

Rotherham- UKIP
Colne Valley- Labour
Bradford West- Respect
Sheffield Hallam- LibDem (but essentially a toss-up at this point)

Boston and Skegness- UKIP
Broxtowe- Labour
Loughborough- Labour

Worcester- Labour
Dudley South - Labour
Warwickshire North- Labour

Ynys Mon- Labour
Ceredigion- LibDem
Vale of Glamorgan- Tory

Camborne and Redruth- Tory
Bristol West- LibDem (thanks Greens)
Wells- Tory

Brighton Pavillion- Green (but Labour'll take the council)
Thanet South- UKIP
Rochester and Strood- UKIP

Kingston and Surbiton - LibDem
Battersea- Tory
Enfield North- Labour

Norwich South- Labour
Clacton- UKIP
Thurrock- UKIP

Changes in bold.

(Also, as a side note. I just had a dig through my prediction posts from 2010. I didn't do badly at all. I've added how far away I was.)
National seat totals:
Conservative - 305 (+95) (inc. Speaker Bercow) (under by 2)
Labour - 258 (-91) (dead on)
Liberal Democrats - 54 (-8) (under by 3)
Scottish National Party - 8 (+2) (over by 2)
Plaid Cymru - 5 (+3) (over by 2)
The Greens - 1 (+1)
People's Voice - 1 (±0) (lol, well...)
Independent Kidderminster Hospital and Health Concern - 0 (-1)
RESPECT - The Unity Coalition - 0 (-1)

Hung Parliament - Conservatives short by 21
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2015, 08:20:03 AM »


I've got a map, but I'm still tinkering round the edges.
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