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Ray Goldfield
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« on: March 11, 2015, 01:51:38 PM »

It all depends on whether the students violated any actual bylaws that they agreed to follow when they signed on.

That's the difference between an organization removing someone for violating mutually agreed-upon rules, and a state institution expelling someone for offensive speech.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 09:15:48 PM »


Why are you quoting a Tea Party "law" teacher which happens to be one of the biggest idiots of the law world?

He's not agreeing with him, he's pointing out how funny it is that Volokh claimed that the students cannot be expelled, right before they were in fact expelled.

That doesn't really prove anything. The students in Tinker vs. Des Moines and their lawyers alleged that they couldn't be suspended, but the school suspended them. Then the Supreme Court agreed that they were right. We're only at stage two here.

Like I said, it really all depends on what the student code of conduct that they signed says.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2015, 04:00:34 PM »

Universities have the right to say who attends, and a right to revoke the enrollment of those who break their policies.


Unless you want to make public universities a completely government controlled service, with free admission for all. But I doubt your libertarian ass wants that.

At least read what I wrote first...

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If you want an answer to that, then yes. It's 2015, sorry it's no longer okay to be racist.

So would you support expelling the students who have made threats of violence and bigoted speech towards greek members not-affiliated with this event?

Yes.

And frankly, I don't think it was justified to expel them for using the N-word. I think was justified to expel them for singing about lynching black students before letting them join. Incitement to murder should be grounds for expulsion.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 07:39:00 PM »

Universities have the right to say who attends, and a right to revoke the enrollment of those who break their policies.


Unless you want to make public universities a completely government controlled service, with free admission for all. But I doubt your libertarian ass wants that.

At least read what I wrote first...

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If you want an answer to that, then yes. It's 2015, sorry it's no longer okay to be racist.

So would you support expelling the students who have made threats of violence and bigoted speech towards greek members not-affiliated with this event?

Yes.

And frankly, I don't think it was justified to expel them for using the N-word. I think was justified to expel them for singing about lynching black students before letting them join. Incitement to murder should be grounds for expulsion.

     While I am not familiar with the content of their lyrics, singing about committing murder is not incitement to murder per se. If they are inciting, they should be tried in a court of law and expelled should they be convicted.

True, I should have said "advocating" rather than "inciting". While they didn't urge anyone on to lynch black people, their lyrics definitely seemed comfortable with it.
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