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« on: March 11, 2015, 02:27:09 PM »
« edited: March 29, 2015, 05:48:09 PM by Mideast Senator and Senate speaker windjammer »
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 02:29:45 PM »
« Edited: March 23, 2015, 01:25:29 PM by Mideast Senator and Senate speaker windjammer »
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 07:01:28 PM »
I think the Bill is pretty self-explanatory. If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 07:25:56 PM »
So per the "recommends" language in the preamble, sections 1 and 2 are to be enforced by the SOEA/the president, or am I misunderstanding the proposed legislation?
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 08:04:18 PM »
To be honest, I don't think we need to recommend it. I think we have the authority to just make it so. Why not?
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2015, 08:49:28 PM »
Quote from: HagridOfTheDeep on March 11, 2015, 08:04:18 PM
To be honest, I don't think we need to recommend it. I think we have the authority to just make it so. Why not?

Yes, that is my belief as well. I just wanted to be sure I was reading it correctly.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2015, 09:08:20 PM »
Quote from: Lief on March 11, 2015, 08:49:28 PM
Quote from: HagridOfTheDeep on March 11, 2015, 08:04:18 PM
To be honest, I don't think we need to recommend it. I think we have the authority to just make it so. Why not?

Yes, that is my belief as well. I just wanted to be sure I was reading it correctly.

That's fine, happy to have it amended.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 02:00:01 AM »
This is why people think we don't care about Africa
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 06:32:50 AM »
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This is why people think we don't care about Africa

What is the 'this' of which you speak?
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 08:40:19 AM »
To let everyone know I've alerted Superique to this bill.

The immediate issue here that I see is section 1c. For one thing this could possibly limit things like airstrikes which the nigerian government may not be able to provide. More importantly though, while I definitely don't support troops on the ground now, we shouldn't tie our hands competely behind our back. A bill to never get militarily involved in, say, Iraq again would seem like a great idea in 2005 but seems less great now.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 09:38:02 AM »
Can someone sum up what is going on in Nigeria?
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 09:41:14 AM »
Cult-ish group that's abducting children leading foreign nations to ponder ways to stop it?
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 09:45:33 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 10:16:22 AM »
Senator TNF, what is the purpose of your amendment?
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2015, 10:35:19 AM »
I don't support TNF's changes to 1a and 1b, since I don't really have an issue with our intelligence forces and External Affairs agencies aiding Nigeria without actually putting troops on the ground. I do support the change to 1c, since it's probably not a great idea for us to keep a troop presence only to protect our infrastructure.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2015, 11:11:50 AM »
If you want an eventual agreement to be signed by the Senate, the 31st of March is I would think not enough time.
Otherwise, I don't support changes to 1a and 1b, but support the ones to 1c.

I object so, I guess.
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2015, 11:18:43 AM »
I join my colleagues in not supporting the Senator TNF's amendment and I hope that the Senate will reject it. I can't support his changes at the original bill.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2015, 02:23:48 PM »
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Senators, a vote is now open on TNF's amendment. Please, vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2015, 02:56:04 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2015, 02:58:35 PM »
Basically what Talleyrand and Cranberry said. Although I don't understand why we shouldn't be able to protect our infrastructures???


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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2015, 03:01:43 PM »
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Senator TNF, what is the purpose of your amendment?

Opposition to imperialism.

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Basically what Talleyrand and Cranberry said. Although I don't understand why we shouldn't be able to protect our infrastructures???


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'Protecting Atlasian interests' or Atlasian investments has always been a smokescreen for the eventual deployment of troops to a region.

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2015, 03:35:42 PM »
Nay
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2015, 04:17:02 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2015, 04:24:53 PM »
Nay.

Boko Haram is a threat to stability and human life, and we should do everything in our capacity to defeat them.
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2015, 04:26:14 PM »
This has enough votes to fail. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes (or not).
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