Greece threatens open Western Europe for jihadists, confiscating German property

[ingemann]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11459675/Greeces-defence-minister-threatens-to-send-migrants-including-jihadists-to-Western-Europe.html

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http://en.protothema.gr/greek-govt-to-confiscate-goethe-institute/

[Lief 🗽]

Wonderful news! Let's hope they follow through with it.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Kammenos is a traitor. How fast can they kick these fools out of the EU

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Meh, they can do whatever it takes to collapse the EU. The idea of a highly centralized, transnational state makes my skin crawl.

[Franzl]

I think it's really time to finally kick them out and leave them in their own misery.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I think it's really time to finally kick them out and leave them in their own misery.

Don't worry. After our imminent collapse in few months (if not weeks) these guys will be run out of town and sanity will make a comeback.
That's what happened in 1922 after all.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Desperation is a sign of imminent defeat, no?
I'd really like to see Kammenos trying to sell open boarders and mass immigration to his xenophobic voters.

I actually thought Tsipras would be a somewhat sensible and pragmatic player on the political stage and maybe even manage to cobble together some sort of compromise with the Troika. As it is now he is just ramming his dick into a wall, and the wall is obviously winning. The tragedy being that when it all comes falling down, it will once again be the Greek people who will pay the price of their politicians incompetence.

   

[ingemann]

I think it's really time to finally kick them out and leave them in their own misery.

Don't worry. After our imminent collapse in few months (if not weeks) these guys will be run out of town and sanity will make a comeback.
That's what happened in 1922 after all.

Leaving all aspects of who's right and who's wrong. There's one thing I really don't get. Why do Greek politicians and Greeks in general think these threats and the insults they often use (calling Germans nazi) will work to their benefit? I get the strategic threats have worked earlier on US and UK, when Greece have needed a bailout in the past. But how have they not discovered that behaving like Snowstalker and Lief is counterproductive for their negotiation? 

[Beezer]

Maybe their goal really is to take Greece out of the eurozone - and the best cause of action in their eyes is to elicit a hardline stance that makes an agreement less and less likely. Would be sensible since they can only try to implement their leftwing goals outside the currency union.

[Tender Branson]

Yeah, Greece should probably leave the Eurozone now.

It's getting really embarrassing lately with these demands or threats.

[ingemann]

Maybe their goal really is to take Greece out of the eurozone - and the best cause of action in their eyes is to elicit a hardline stance that makes an agreement less and less likely. Would be sensible since they can only try to implement their leftwing goals outside the currency union.

I had that thought too, but the old government also behaved that way.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, obviously that's ridiculous and reeks of desperation, but let's not pretend that the EU/Troika have shown any desire to seriously negotiate and come to a mutually acceptable agreement. The blame goes both ways, to say least.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

It's amazing that there are still financial institutions willing to lend to this administrative disaster of a country.

[Famous Mortimer]

If they withdraw from the Eurozone, Greek citizens won't be able to roam the EU freely anymore?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is why you don't elect Communists to anything.

[Beet]

LOL Greece. The only reason they had leverage before was that much bigger countries in the Eurozone were teetering and the ECB was uncertain.

[politicus]

If they withdraw from the Eurozone, Greek citizens won't be able to roam the EU freely anymore?

Yes they will. The Inner Market with free labour migration is a separate thing.

[Famous Mortimer]

If they withdraw from the Eurozone, Greek citizens won't be able to roam the EU freely anymore?

Yes they will. The Inner Market with free labour migration is a separate thing.

So they can visit other countries but they won't be able to work?

[Stranger in a strange land]

I think it's really time to finally kick them out and leave them in their own misery.

My only worry is that you'll kick them out... and into the loving arms of Putin.

[politicus]

If they withdraw from the Eurozone, Greek citizens won't be able to roam the EU freely anymore?

Yes they will. The Inner Market with free labour migration is a separate thing.

So they can visit other countries but they won't be able to work?

Internal Market, Schengen etc. are all unrelated to the Eurozone.

[ingemann]

I think it's really time to finally kick them out and leave them in their own misery.

My only worry is that you'll kick them out... and into the loving arms of Putin.

EU GDP: 17,958,073 millions

Russia GDP: 2,096,777 Millions

Greece GDP: 242,230 Millions, debt 319,100 millions.

Do you think that Russia can afford being the Greek sugar daddy?

[Famous Mortimer]

So wouldn't threatening to flood the EU with immigrants cause the EU to want to kick out Greece totally, not just out of the Eurozone?

[ingemann]

So wouldn't threatening to flood the EU with immigrants cause the EU to want to kick out Greece totally, not just out of the Eurozone?

If Greece tried to do this, yes they would be thrown out of EU. The really weird thing here, is if they didn't say this as a threat, but suggested that their border control was breaking down, it would be a quite useful position to negotiate economic support to the Greek border control. But what they have done now is poisoning their own well, meaning that they can't use the former argument anymore, because it will be seen as a threat rather than a warning, and the rest of EU can react by closing the borders to Greece.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I told you these people are clowns. Today another minister said that Poland was an ally of Nazi Germany during WWII.

[ingemann]

I told you these people are clowns. Today another minister said that Poland was an ally of Nazi Germany during WWII.

Yes I know this government are clowns, but the average Greek are not dumber than the average European. So why have the last few Greek governments, kept using rhetoric which weaken their negotiation position. I'm in fact curious about this, it's not a rhetoric point. I think it's counterproductive behaviour and I wish to understand it.