Alternatives to Hillary

[henster]

Kirsten Gillibrand.

[daveosupremo]

Gillibrand is the strongest even including Hillary.

[henster]

Gillibrand is the strongest even including Hillary.

I was thinking Hassan was quite strong as well. Popular Governor of a key swing state and she has had her share of competitive races. If I were to rank the strongest alternatives it'd be Gillibrand, Klobuchar, and then Hassan.

[King]

Kubler-Ross

[heatmaster]

Now you talking my kind of language, disarray within Democrat ranks☺

[Xing]

Now you talking my kind of language, disarray within Democrat ranks☺

spectulation =/= disarray

[Mr. Illini]

Ready for Gillibrand

[Cory]

Probably Warren.

[PresidentTRUMP]

Voted Warren, let's face facts the democrats will 100% put  a woman or minority on top of the ticket again. White male's should not be included, they have ZERO shot at the nomination. Hate to be so harsh but thats the honest truth.

[Blair]

Voted Warren, let's face facts the democrats will 100% put  a woman or minority on top of the ticket again. White male's should not be included, they have ZERO shot at the nomination. Hate to be so harsh but thats the honest truth.

You've said this so many times but it's simply bollocks. Why do you keep sprouting this? It's not the honest truth in any sense

Biden-White Male
Sanders-White Male
O'Malley-White Male
Kaine-White Male
Warner-White Male
Brown-White Male

[PresidentTRUMP]

Like I stated; and trust me i don't even like writing it but the democrats will not have a white male on the top of there ticket in 2016. All of the candidates you listed are good and all have viable records.

However, the candidate will be Hillary, Gillibrand, Warren or another young up and comer male minority. It's just the truth i can say with 99.9999% confidence everyone on that list you mentioned DOES NOT win the nominee and one of the people i listed does. I will be stunned if there candidate isnt a female, because it def. will be.

[Blair]

Like I stated; and trust me i don't even like writing it but the democrats will not have a white male on the top of there ticket in 2016. All of the candidates you listed are good and all have viable records.

However, the candidate will be Hillary, Gillibrand, Warren or another young up and comer male minority. It's just the truth i can say with 99.9999% confidence everyone on that list you mentioned DOES NOT win the nominee and one of the people i listed does. I will be stunned if there candidate isnt a female, because it def. will be.

I'm not going to trust you. You seem obsessed with this demographic issue, and you're not even correct on it.

[IceSpear]

Kubler-Ross

Does it count as the five stages of grief when you never leave denial?

Anyway, if Hillary died or had to pull out for health reasons (since let's be honest, that's the only way she isn't the nominee), Dems would still be under tremendous pressure to nominate a woman after all the hype about the first female president. Women also tend to make up 55-60% of the Democratic primary electorate. It's not a group they can exactly afford to alienate, particularly after the near miss in 2008. So in that sense the R-NY guy is correct. In 2016, it is extremely unlikely the nominee will be a man (though I don't think this applies indefinitely for the future like he does).

Anyway, of these options, I'd say Gillibrand would be strongest.

[heatmaster]

As I was saying, you are talking my kind of language....way to go!

[TDAS04]

Gillibrand I guess.  

[heatmaster]

What about old "six pack" Joe Biden, that would be a laugh in a million☺

[oeoyeleye]

Gillibrand

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Voted Warren, let's face facts the democrats will 100% put  a woman or minority on top of the ticket again. White male's should not be included, they have ZERO shot at the nomination. Hate to be so harsh but thats the honest truth.

You've said this so many times but it's simply bollocks. Why do you keep sprouting this? It's not the honest truth in any sense

Biden-White Male
Sanders-White Male
O'Malley-White Male
Kaine-White Male
Warner-White Male
Brown-White Male

Biden - champion of women's issues. Incumbent VP. Polling horrifically.
Sanders - Jew who self-identifies as Socialist from the most economically leftist state. Still has low chance but that's the source of his support.
O'Malley - lol, he has zero support and he's the most left-wing Democrat in the field. Highly doubt he will pick up the Warren vote. You know why? White male
Kaine - He knows he can't be at the top of a ticket. Catering rhetoric on abortion isn't there.
Warner - Almost lost a Safe D Senate race. His national ambitions are over.
Brown - Literally no one is talking about him. Even on here. They love him as a Senator but he is in no way a national figure.

I'd never say never, but for 2016/2020/even 2024, it's a super long shot since Sanders' enthusiastic base is so tiny, and the other's have no shot. Ironically, you didn't even mention the only one with seemingly any shot in Jim Webb.

Even before the national comments by Schweitzer, all the leftists on Daily Kos could not get behind him despite him being the most economically left-wing Democrat. In part due to his rural upbringing surely. But let's be real, like O'Malley, he's a white guy. O'Malley and probably Schweitzer are seriously being hurt by this. They should be sufficiently progressive to pick up Warren voters, but no way.

As I said, a male can be nominated, but liberals will go slightly out of their way to find someone else. And there's little to nothing inherently wrong with that.

As for the poll, I voted Gillibrand. Was surprised by the lack of early Warren votes, but she is veryy deservingly catching up because she isn't far behind.

[Suburbia]

Gillibrand, then Kloubchar, and maybe O'Malley.

[WVdemocrat]

Hi everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I think O'Malley is the most credible challenge to Hillary.

Look at it this way, we've got about four near sure candidates in 2016 for the Dems: Hillary, O'Malley, Jim Webb, and Bernie Sanders (I'd say Biden's leaning towards running, but he could just as easily not run). We have Hillary: the obvious frontrunner (frontrunner actually seems to be a severe understatement), Webb: a conservative DINO, Sanders: a self-described socialist, and O'Malley: a guy most see as a bland liberal governor from a bland liberal state. I see him as the progressive alternative. I think he scoops up the votes of voters who aren't as radical as Sanders but not as centrist as Hillary (so really, potential Warren voters).

I lived in Maryland for years, and he was a great governor, and he appeals to the base. He stands as the progressive alternative to Hillary, but that's not nearly enough to usurp the nomination from Hillary. Nobody will be a really credible challenger to Hillary until they win a few early primaries and gain momentum, so I guess anyone who runs could be a challenger to Hillary. On principle, he seems the most likely. It just depends on how he runs his campaign. It will still be an uphill battle of epic proportions.

[Mister Mets]

I'm guessing Gilibrand.

She seems to handle media scrutiny well, and would be an attractive candidae for the left: A potential first female President with appeal to younger voters and policy accomplishments on a serious issue (sexual assauly in the miitary).

She's very unlikely to run against Hillary, but if party leaders provided backing, she'd be one to scare Hillary, as well as Republicans.

As for other choices, Hassan might be too green with four years as a small state Governor. Klobuchar's an unknown quality (she hasn't gotten much media attention.) Patrick's electoral record is weak. O'Malley was also followed by a Republican. Warren has baggage. Brown's probably not demographically appealing. Webb hasn't been impressive as an announced candidate.

[morgieb]

Warren would be the most powerful in a primary, though Gillibrand would be the strongest overall.

[IceSpear]

I'm guessing Gilibrand.

She seems to handle media scrutiny well, and would be an attractive candidae for the left: A potential first female President with appeal to younger voters and policy accomplishments on a serious issue (sexual assauly in the miitary).

She's very unlikely to run against Hillary, but if party leaders provided backing, she'd be one to scare Hillary, as well as Republicans.

As for other choices, Hassan might be too green with four years as a small state Governor. Klobuchar's an unknown quality (she hasn't gotten much media attention.) Patrick's electoral record is weak. O'Malley was also followed by a Republican. Warren has baggage. Brown's probably not demographically appealing. Webb hasn't been impressive as an announced candidate.

It's not "very unlikely" that Gillibrand would run against Hillary, it's very impossible.

[BlueSwan]

Why Gillibrand? Someone sell her to me. I've seen a few interviews with her and I wasn't impressed.