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RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« on: March 13, 2015, 05:55:18 PM »
« edited: March 13, 2015, 05:57:28 PM by RFayette »


The idea that the misogyny of this "New Atheist" movement (whom the vast majority of people have not even heard of) would have any noticeable effect on the amount of men and women converting to Islam, is just insane.

Not as insane as making generalizations about women in the West, or women as a whole, based on a few thousand converts. It's just funny how some atheists act superior because they think being atheist automatically makes them more progressive on gender (this obviously doesn't apply to BRTD because he's Christian), but when a girl posts a photo of herself with a Carl Sagan book in an atheist space, this happens.

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Sure, but nothing is unbiased...

OK, but Islamic tradition and culture is perfectly fine with beating wives....plus, there are verses in Holy texts that are inherently sexist.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/beating.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/003-wife-beating.htm

Universalism, liberal Protestantism, and atheism/agnosticism are all far friendlier to women than the "religion of peace" ever will be.  The Muslim girls in my school are forbidden from playing sports or dating and must wear extensive covering.  Sure, there may be feminist themes to parts of the Quran, but as a whole, it tends to be bad when the faith is put into practice.
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RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2015, 06:18:41 PM »

The debate over Islam has been had too many times in other threads- but suffice it to say, any sort of essentialism of Islam as anti-feminist is incorrect ( There are Islamic girls who play sports, and there is nothing intrinsically anti-feminist about covering. )- or at the very least, antithetical to the opinions of Islamic women feminists. And hence the problem for those who want to indict Islam as intrinsically anti-feminist: it requires defeating the voice of Islamic women feminists who actually embody a feminist version of Islam. You have old white men like Richard Dawkins tweeting patronizingly against Malala Yousafzai, because "he's atheist, so he knows better durr". Anyone who thinks that's feminist has no clue.

I agree there are Muslim feminists, but they, like Christian feminists, almost always take their holy book less seriously and/or literally. 


The more of a hard-line stance a Christian takes on "The Bible is the inerrant word of God and is absolute literal truth," the more anti-feminist he or she would tend to be.

To my understanding this is similar with Islam.

However, Islam, on average, has less wiggle-room than Christianity due to the lack of the Old Testament/New Testament dichotomy.  So there are liberal Muslims, but they're rarer.

And requiring covering is inherently anti-feminist as no equivalent stricture exists for men.
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