O'Malley says his Sec. of State will use government email server

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O'Malley is too liberal to win nationally. He'll get killed on gun control, and failing to balance the budget despite tax increases that even Marylanders ended up revolting against won't look good.

I don't think that's the issue. Someone as liberal as him could win, O'Malley's problem is the same as Adlai Stevenson, Al Gore and John Kerry...he's too dull and eggheaded. Wish we had a better alternative to Hillary.

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Hillary should refuse to acknowledge, let alone debate this clown. When asked about him in interviews she should simply reply "Martin who?"

Atlas will love that like they loved when Cuomo ignored Zephyr I'm sure.

But it's a good strategy. Unfair. But good.

Not a good strategy, it would make her look cowardly.

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O'Malley is too liberal to win nationally. He'll get killed on gun control, and failing to balance the budget despite tax increases that even Marylanders ended up revolting against won't look good.

I don't think that's the issue. Someone as liberal as him could win, O'Malley's problem is the same as Adlai Stevenson, Al Gore and John Kerry...he's too dull and eggheaded. Wish we had a better alternative to Hillary.

That too. But Warren isn't dull and eggheaded (well not in a bad way), but she's still too liberal. Here in the Atlas bubble I think there is a slight tendency to overestimate the liberality of the electorate, and the willingness of the electorate to turn to someone like Walker after 8 years of Obama.

I don't overestimate the liberality of the electorate but I honestly never really get it when partisan Democrats say this. It's like your forever chasing some median swing voter which increasingly doesn't exist anymore. I think that Warren's populist brand would actually motivate a lot of alienated voters. Also, the pubic tends to be more liberal on quite a few issues like not cutting social security and there is a lot of anger at big banks since 2008.

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Do you really think Warren could win? Her message seems to resonate with a lot of latte liberals and the Daily Kos types, but if you ask the blue collar African-American janitor in North Carolina, he'll probably say he prefers Hillary. The real mood is not easy to gauge.

I think that someone who campaigns on bread and butter issues about people getting screwed and Wall Street recklessness could appeal to African-Americans and disaffected working class white voters as well. Oftentimes the "latte liberal" crowd are the ones more likely to favor the fiscally conservative/socially liberal style that the Democrats have been drifting in and when I hear them say "x is too liberal to win" I oftentimes think it's a form of projection. Granted I don't have any hard data to back this up but it does annoy me that Democrats compromise and move to the center far too easily.

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Do you really think Warren could win? Her message seems to resonate with a lot of latte liberals and the Daily Kos types, but if you ask the blue collar African-American janitor in North Carolina, he'll probably say he prefers Hillary. The real mood is not easy to gauge.

I think that someone who campaigns on bread and butter issues about people getting screwed and Wall Street recklessness could appeal to African-Americans and disaffected working class white voters as well. Oftentimes the "latte liberal" crowd are the ones more likely to favor the fiscally conservative/socially liberal style that the Democrats have been drifting in and when I hear them say "x is too liberal to win" I oftentimes think it's a form of projection. Granted I don't have any hard data to back this up but it does annoy me that Democrats compromise and move to the center far too easily.

But how does that explain that Warren gets most of her votes from white latte liberals, whereas Hillary, who is more fiscally conservative, gets more support among African-Americans and disaffected working class white voters?

I could be wrong, you could be right. My guess though would be that Warren isn't running yet and isn't as well known among people who don't follow politics closely.