Reintroducing the 21st Amendment (Final vote)

[Talleyrand]

In that case I'm on board as well.

[windjammer]

Windjammer amendmen't has been adopted.

[windjammer]

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Basically, I agree with oakvale on this issue. This SC part is just quite boring. A justice who doesn't participate at all to the justice discussions and would just post "I concur with" would not be prosecuted whereas an active associate Justice who would participate a lot to the justice discussions would be prosecuted if he forgets to post "I concur with". This is not a good measurement of inactivity. This is just A-N-N-O-Y-I-N-G for the associate justices.

If a member of the SC is inactive, like Torie was, article of impeachment should be introcuded by a normal way: ie 3 senators sponsoring it. What happened to Torie.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Sounds good.

I don't really like these impeachments though, because oftentimes the law goes unfollowed. Not to single myself out, but at the end of my last tenure I was just tired of everything and sort of disappeared for a bit. I know it was long enough for the impeachment proceedings, but they didn't kick in because no one cared or noticed. Griffin has done a better job at, ahem, politicizing absences, but... I don't think this procedure works.

Couldn't we just make being absent an "impeachable offense," and if folks decide to go through with impeachment proceedings then that's what they do?

[windjammer]

Sounds good.

I don't really like these impeachments though, because oftentimes the law goes unfollowed. Not to single myself out, but at the end of my last tenure I was just tired of everything and sort of disappeared for a bit. I know it was long enough for the impeachment proceedings, but they didn't kick in because no one cared or noticed. Griffin has done a better job at, ahem, politicizing absences, but... I don't think this procedure works.

Couldn't we just make being absent an "impeachable offense," and if folks decide to go through with impeachment proceedings then that's what they do?

Hagrid, just FTR:

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I wanted to repeal this amendment, but unfortunately, the senate has decided to kill my move by wide margins .

[Lief 🗽]

Didn't we already defeat an amendment that would remove the Supreme Court impeachment language?

[windjammer]

Griffin: the amendment stripping "a member of the Senate" was adopted yesterday or 2 days ago. This amendment is just stripping the justice part. Do you object?

Lief: the senate defeated an amendment repealing the Nineteenth Amendment. You have still 10 hours to object to this amendment if you wish to.

[Lief 🗽]

I object.

[windjammer]

Senators, a vote is now open on Windjammer's amendment.
Please, vote AYE, NAY or Abstain.

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[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye

[windjammer]

Aye

[Lief 🗽]

Nay

[Talleyrand]

Nay

These are incredibly basic activity requirements; keep in mind this bill doesn't we can't impeach people if they don't meet these standards. If you have a supreme court justice just showing up to say "I concur" but doing nothing else and there is evidence for that, I am still pretty sure that we could force a trial.

[Adam Griffin]

Nay

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Abstain

[Senator Cris]

Aye

[TNF]

NAY

[windjammer]

The result of the vote:
Aye (3): Cris, Hagrid, Windjammer
Nay 4): Griffin, TNF, Talleyrand, Lief
Abstain (1): Polnut
Non voting (2): SWE, Cranberry
Windjammer's amendment has failed.

[Cranberry]

Nay, for the record and what it's worth

[windjammer]

Well,
I do hope that those who voted against my amendment won't find any excuse anymore to refuse to vote to impeach someone, like what happened with BK and Torie.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Well,
I do hope that those who voted against my amendment won't find any excuse anymore to refuse to vote to impeach someone, like what happened with BK and Torie.

I didn't support the amendment, however, if you recall, I submitted the impeachment proceedings that led to Torie's resignation.

My view on impeachment has always been that we should be not afraid to act if someone is neglecting their duties, but it must be clear, considerate of circumstances and not automatic.

[windjammer]

Well,
I do hope that those who voted against my amendment won't find any excuse anymore to refuse to vote to impeach someone, like what happened with BK and Torie.

I didn't support the amendment, however, if you recall, I submitted the impeachment proceedings that led to Torie's resignation.

My view on impeachment has always been that we should be not afraid to act if someone is neglecting their duties, but it must be clear, considerate of circumstances and not automatic.

Just to be clear Polnut, I wasn't thinking about you when I was writing my post because indeed I do know you voted Abstain and introduced article of impeachment for Torie.

[Lief 🗽]

Comrade, you know I'm always up for an impeachment.

[windjammer]

Comrade, you know I'm always up for an impeachment.

I know Lief, don't worry, it wasn't directed to you .

[windjammer]

I motion for a final vote.