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« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2015, 02:48:32 AM »

State #39: Alaska + Montana + Idaho + Wyoming (Upper Rocky Mountains) + North Dakota + South Dakota + Northern Nebraska (Upper Great Plains). Population: 6,208,783

Biggest City: Anchorage (291,826)

Romney: 1,603,002 (60.9%)
Obama: 949,379 (36.1%)
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« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2015, 03:01:54 AM »

State #40: Most of Colorado + Northern New Mexico. Population: 6,208,871

Biggest City: Denver (600,158)

Obama: 1,615,343 (53.0%)
Romney: 1,349,498 (44.3%)
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« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2015, 03:26:33 AM »
« Edited: April 11, 2015, 05:15:32 AM by ElectionsGuy »

State #41: Minnesota + Northwestern Wisconsin. Population: 6,157,689

Biggest City: Minneapolis (382,578)

Obama: 1,777,268 (52.5%)
Romney: 1,528,837 (45.2%)
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« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2015, 03:49:41 AM »

State #42: Northern Indiana + Northwestern Tip of Ohio + Southern and Eastern Michigan. Population: 6,186,222

Biggest City: Warren (134,056)

Obama: 1,536,851 (52.1%)
Romney: 1,377,640 (46.7%)
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« Reply #79 on: April 11, 2015, 03:57:02 AM »

State #43: Northern and Western Michigan + Eastern and Northern Wisconsin. Population: 6,165,749

Biggest City: Milwaukee (594,833)

Romney: 1,596,479 (51.1%)
Obama: 1,492,218 (47.7%)
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« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2015, 04:48:59 AM »
« Edited: April 11, 2015, 05:15:07 AM by ElectionsGuy »

State #44: Southern Arizona + Southwest New Mexico + South and Western Texas. Population: 6,253,616

Biggest City: San Antonio (1,327,407)

Obama: 967,278 (54.9%)
Romney: 766,381 (43.5%)
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« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2015, 05:13:41 AM »

State #45: Northern Illinois outside Chicago + Southern Wisconsin + Eastern Iowa + Lake, IN. Population: 6,185,001

Biggest City: Madison (233,209)

Obama: 1,574,442 (55.8%)
Romney: 1,204,326 (42.7%)
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« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2015, 05:35:14 AM »

State #46: Downstate Illinois + Eastern Missouri + Western Kentucky + 2 Iowa Counties. Population: 6,091,233

Biggest City: St. Louis (319,294)

Romney: 1,450,230 (52.2%)
Obama: 1,277,370 (46.0%)
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« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2015, 07:22:52 AM »
« Edited: April 11, 2015, 07:40:20 AM by ElectionsGuy »

State #47: Eastern Colorado + Southern/Western Nebraska + Western Kansas + Western Oklahoma + Western Texas + Eastern New Mexico (Lower Great Plains). Population: 6,183,145

Biggest City: Oklahoma City (579,999)

Romney: 1,494,359 (68.5%)
Obama: 657,471 (30.1%)
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« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2015, 07:40:05 AM »

State #48: Central and Eastern Texas + Northwestern Louisiana. Population: 6,132,754

Biggest City: Austin (790,390)

Romney: 1,357,935 (61.5%)
Obama: 808,662 (36.6%)

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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2015, 07:50:07 AM »

State #49: Eastern Oklahoma + Most of Arkansas + Southwestern Missouri + Northeastern Texas. Population: 6,165,311

Biggest City: Tulsa (391,906)

Romney: 1,546,702 (66.1%)
Obama: 755,364 (32.3%)
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« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2015, 07:59:06 AM »

State #50: Northern Missouri + Northeastern Kansas + Southeastern Nebraska + Most of Iowa. Population: 6,121,200

Biggest City: Kansas City, MO (459,787)

Romney: 1,485,125 (51.1%)
Obama: 1,362,883 (46.9%)
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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2015, 08:26:13 AM »

That makes for 26 states won by Romney and 24 states won by Obama, despite the fact that Obama won by 4%. Much like drawing congressional districts, legislative districts, etc. drawing states with equal population benefits Republicans because the Democratic vote is more concentrated in highly populated urban areas. I'm going to list states (written as their largest city) most Democratic to most Republican

With states #16 and #17, I think I will go with muon's plan to split LA City for a much nicer state boundary. The numbers for it though are unknown for 2012. They will not be listed, but we do know they were both won by Obama.

1. NYC (63.4% Obama margin)
2. San Jose (51.0% Obama margin)
3. Baltimore (42.4% Obama margin)
4. Chicago (41.4% Obama margin)
5. Sacramento (28.1% Obama margin)
6. Detroit (27.7% Obama margin)
7. Philadelphia (26.4% Obama margin)
8. Seattle (26.1% Obama margin)
9. Miami (22.9% Obama margin)
10. Newark (22.3% Obama margin)
11. Boston (21.6% Obama margin)
12. Yonkers (18.8% Obama margin)
13. Syracuse (15.0% Obama margin)
14. Madison (13.1% Obama margin)
15. San Antonio (11.4% Obama margin)
16. Denver (8.7% Obama margin)
17. Minneapolis (7.3% Obama margin)
18. Virginia Beach (6.6% Obama margin)
19. Warren (5.4% Obama margin)
20. Fresno (1.9% Obama margin)
21. San Diego (0.9% Obama margin)
22. Pittsburgh (0.2% Obama margin)

23. Raleigh (0.2% Romney margin)
24. Milwaukee (3.4% Romney margin)
25. Kansas City (4.2% Romney margin)
26. Tampa (5.1% Romney margin)
27. Reno (5.9% Romney margin)
28. Allentown (6.1% Romney margin)
29. Phoenix (6.1% Romney margin)
30. Columbus (6.2% Romney margin)
31. St. Louis (6.2% Romney margin)
32. Atlanta (6.4% Romney margin)
33. Augusta (7.2% Romney margin)
34. Richmond (7.4% Romney margin)
35. Jacksonville (10.6% Romney margin)
36. Houston (10.7% Romney margin)
37. New Orleans (12.3% Romney margin)
38. Dallas (13.2% Romney margin)
39. Charlotte (14.0% Romney margin)
40. Indianapolis (15.5% Romney margin)
41. Memphis (17.5% Romney margin)
42. Las Vegas (22.1% Romney margin)
43. Birmingham (22.7% Romney margin)
44. Louisville (23.4% Romney margin)
45. Anchorage (24.8% Romney margin)
46. Austin (24.9% Romney margin)
47. Tulsa (33.8% Romney margin)
48. Oklahoma City (38.4% Romney margin)
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« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2015, 08:28:50 AM »

Here again is the map:

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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2015, 09:47:37 AM »

The Sacramento metropolitan area as you've drawn it makes no sense.

Do you have a suggestion on a different way to do it?

No, of course not. They never do.
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« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2015, 10:02:56 AM »

The Sacramento metropolitan area as you've drawn it makes no sense.

Do you have a suggestion on a different way to do it?

No, of course not. They never do.

Sometimes they do. I got some helpful feedback on my redivision of the 50 states a couple of years ago. Of course to get the flexibility to make changes, I only required that the states be no less than half nor more than double the average population. You can see the population spread in my treatment of Sacto and the Pacific NW.

Ecotopia (with principal city) and population in millions:
Duwamish (Seattle) 4.7
Chinook (Portland) 3.6
Shasta (Sacramento) 3.6
Ohlone (San Francisco) 9.5


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« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2015, 04:52:37 PM »

Very interesting. Maybe I'll make an opinion map for this at some point, similar to the one I did with Antonio's states. All I know for sure right now is that San Diego is my favorite of the new sates.
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« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2015, 05:08:51 PM »

Well, I guess we can thank you for gerrymandering the new states so that no Democrat could win the presidency.
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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2015, 07:14:45 PM »

Actually, instead of making a map I'll just alphabetically list the states in each tier, becasue I don't want to recolor each county individually. Tongue

Top Tier
Atlanta
Dallas
Houston
Las Vegas
Both Los Angles states
Miami
New Orleans
Phoenix
San Diego

High Tier
Augusta
Austin
Charlotte
Fresno
Jacksonville
Memphis
Raleigh
Sacramento
San Antonio
Tampa

Mid Tier
Baltimore
Birmingham
Denver
NYC
Philadelphia
Reno
Richmond
San Jose
Seattle
Virginia Beach

Low Tier
Boston
Columbus
Kansas City
Indianapolis
Louisville
Newark
Oklahoma City
St. Louis
Tulsa
Yonkers

Bottom Tier
Allentown
Anchorage
Chicago
Detroit
Madison
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Warren
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« Reply #94 on: April 14, 2015, 06:29:33 AM »

Well, I guess we can thank you for gerrymandering the new states so that no Democrat could win the presidency.

As much as it may look like it, I had to intention to gerrymander. Some of these could be considered Republican gerrymanders too.

This is one of the reasons I wanted to experiment with this. Many of these uber Dem states here are usually metro areas that are part of more than one state or are part of bigger states. Uber Republican states like Wyoming and Idaho are smaller so therefor its harder to make very Republican states when there's only so much population of very conservative areas. You can easily find uber Dem areas concentrated, but its hard to find as Republican areas (at the same margin of concentrated D areas) even if they're very spread out. Its just how US elections generally turn out now.
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« Reply #95 on: April 14, 2015, 06:39:49 AM »

Well, I guess we can thank you for gerrymandering the new states so that no Democrat could win the presidency.

As much as it may look like it, I had to intention to gerrymander. Some of these could be considered Republican gerrymanders too.

This is one of the reasons I wanted to experiment with this. Many of these uber Dem states here are usually metro areas that are part of more than one state or are part of bigger states. Uber Republican states like Wyoming and Idaho are smaller so therefor its harder to make very Republican states when there's only so much population of very conservative areas. You can easily find uber Dem areas concentrated, but its hard to find as Republican areas (at the same margin of concentrated D areas) even if they're very spread out. Its just how US elections generally turn out now.

As I have suggested over the last decade, the D/R divide is not really about labor/business anymore, it's really become urban/exurban-rural. The Big Sort has driven some of this, but the parties shifting positions have, too. Policies have adapted as to whether they are designed for high density or low density communities where the perceived need to survive in proximity to strangers differs greatly.
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« Reply #96 on: April 19, 2015, 09:51:41 PM »

Cool!
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« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2017, 11:24:46 AM »

So, I tried recreating your state using this app* to see how they would vote in 2016. The results stay mostly the same, but Minneapolis , Virginia Beach, Warren, and Pittsburgh all flipped to Trump. I suppose none of that is surprising, but I thought it would be interesting to try anyway. Tongue


*(Though because you can't split counties, the LA area doesn't really work. If if I move Ventura county over to the Fresno state, I just end up with two somewhat overpopulated state rather than one very overpopulated state)
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