Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Redraft passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I like most of what is in here, but I think the PICs were were a bridged too far for me. I missed a good bit of this debate and though I do know the original was far more aggressive.

I am deeply troubled with what is going on in this country, but I think the approach in this bill is wrong. The end goal is bring the police closer to the communities and therefore any bill or list of dictates from on high is necessarily going to come up short but especially in this case. I think these PICs, whilst being independent is fine, are both too large and the selection process flawed such as to ensure that most of what it does will be inneffective and what it does manage to achieve, will serve to make it more difficult for police to perform for fear of what the board will do or how it will look. I like the funding for the cameras, building on my legislative from last year and also would be fine with some kind of independent review system, something I referenced in brief back last fall. However, with no standards and no protections for the police in the process, nor frankly the victims of police brutality, there is little to ensure that the boards aren't slanted and don't become a detriment to either or both sides.

[Senator Cris]

The same thing of Hagrid and Yankee here. I like the majority of the bill, but there are the PICs that are not acceptable for me.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I will say Police Integrity Commissions (or differently named bodies) exist in many places around the world without the world falling apart and anarchy being released upon the community.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I will say Police Integrity Commissions (or differently named bodies) exist in many places around the world without the world falling apart and anarchy being released upon the community.

And they are probably more strictly regulated than they are here, unfortunately. As Senator Yankee said, there are no protections and no way to ensure that the PICs actually operate with any kind of integrity or professionalism.

I hope the president will consider these points when he takes action on the bill. Otherwise I fear our country will become less safe.

[Blair]

I will say Police Integrity Commissions (or differently named bodies) exist in many places around the world without the world falling apart and anarchy being released upon the community.

And they are probably more strictly regulated than they are here, unfortunately. As Senator Yankee said, there are no protections and no way to ensure that the PICs actually operate with any kind of integrity or professionalism.

I hope the president will consider these points when he takes action on the bill. Otherwise I fear our country will become less safe.

Yet an unregulated police force is somehow safe?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I will say Police Integrity Commissions (or differently named bodies) exist in many places around the world without the world falling apart and anarchy being released upon the community.

And they are probably more strictly regulated than they are here, unfortunately. As Senator Yankee said, there are no protections and no way to ensure that the PICs actually operate with any kind of integrity or professionalism.

I hope the president will consider these points when he takes action on the bill. Otherwise I fear our country will become less safe.

There was an opportunity to amend the language to clarify those elements of greatest concern, the President still has the option to re-draft should he share your concerns.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I will say Police Integrity Commissions (or differently named bodies) exist in many places around the world without the world falling apart and anarchy being released upon the community.

Around the world we seperatist movements, revolutions and civil wars. I am so glad we haven't been faced with the misfortunate of such here. couldn't resist

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Basically I'm inclined to agree with Hagrid that policing is often not the sort of thing that can be easily understood by members of the public, but on the other hand just leaving enforcement to the police, as we've seen in places like Staten Island and Ferguson, doesn't work either. I think by placing 2, but nowhere close to a majority in the PIC we have the benefit of their understanding of police work, but without the danger of them closing ranks on their own.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I fully support this.

[Cranberry]

Yes, those changes make perfect sense, and I am prepared to support this as well.

[windjammer]

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Basically I'm inclined to agree with Hagrid that policing is often not the sort of thing that can be easily understood by members of the public, but on the other hand just leaving enforcement to the police, as we've seen in places like Staten Island and Ferguson, doesn't work either. I think by placing 2, but nowhere close to a majority in the PIC we have the benefit of their understanding of police work, but without the danger of them closing ranks on their own.

A vote is now open, please, vote AYE, NAY or Abstain.

[Cranberry]

Aye

[windjammer]

Aye

[Blair]

aye

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

AYE

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Abstain

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye


"4 selected from the community"

-though this seems undefined as to how it will be selected. I suppose that it will be the regions setting out those procedures, no?

[Senator Cris]

Aye

It's a good improvement and it has my support.

[TNF]

Nay

[Cranberry]

Aye


"4 selected from the community"

-though this seems undefined as to how it will be selected. I suppose that it will be the regions setting out those procedures, no?

As police departments are a regional matter, I would think so.

[Talleyrand]

AYE

[windjammer]

The result of the vote:

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Basically I'm inclined to agree with Hagrid that policing is often not the sort of thing that can be easily understood by members of the public, but on the other hand just leaving enforcement to the police, as we've seen in places like Staten Island and Ferguson, doesn't work either. I think by placing 2, but nowhere close to a majority in the PIC we have the benefit of their understanding of police work, but without the danger of them closing ranks on their own.

A vote is now open, please, vote AYE, NAY or Abstain.

Aye (7): Windjammer, Talleyrand, Blair, Polnut, Cranberry, Yankee, Cris
Nay (1): TNF
Abstain (1): Hagrid
Non voting (1): Lief

The redraft has passed and is now sent to the president.

[Lief 🗽]

Nay for the record.

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