Policing the Police Act of 2014 (Redraft passed)

[Talleyrand]

AYE

[TNF]

Nay

[Senator Cris]

Aye

It's a good improvement compared to the original text and I support it.

[windjammer]

This has enough votes to pass. I let 24 hours additionnally for the senators to vote.

[windjammer]

Amendment offered:

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I'm pro union.

[windjammer]

Senators have 36 hours to object.

[Cranberry]

Again, this is a sensible step in the right direction; though much more will have to be done here.

[TNF]

I object to the proposed amendment.

Pigs aren't workers.

[windjammer]

Amendment offered:

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I'm pro union.

Senators, a vote on Windjammer's amendment is now open. Please, vote AYE, NAY or Abstain.

[Cranberry]

Aye

[windjammer]

Aye

[Lief 🗽]

NAY

Police unions are terrible and should be abolished.

[Senator Cris]

Aye

It seems very sensible and a step in the right direction.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye

[Adam Griffin]

Abstain

[Talleyrand]

AYE

[Senator Cris]

To be honest, I don't like the Act so much, but I still hope that we can work to improve it and so I'm working for an amendment at the text that'll be presented today or tomorrow.

[Senator Cris]

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This is my amendment. Probably all my changes are not shared by my colleagues, but I hope that it'll pass, in order to have a good start point.

[Lief 🗽]

I cannot support Senator Cris's amendment. It would completely neuter this bill.

[windjammer]

This has enough votes to pass. I let the senators 24 hours to still vote.

[Senator Cris]

Cris: If this amendment passes, will you vote in favor of the bill without any further changes?

Well... I think that my amendment is a step in the right direction. There are still some reservations, but with it the bill would be a lot more friendly than now.

[windjammer]

I support Cris' amendment. I will open a vote later.

I will still not vote for this bill currently written though.

[Senator Cris]

Cris: If this amendment passes, will you vote in favor of the bill without any further changes?

Well... I think that my amendment is a step in the right direction. There are still some reservations, but with it the bill would be a lot more friendly than now.

I'm just trying to get a sense of where this debate is going. What specific sections of the bill do you support, if any?

As said, I don't like the entire bill, but I'm trying to improve it. I'm still not ready to vote for it, but it would be more friendly. Section 4 is the hottest of the bill and I can accept clause 1, 2, 9 (6 in my amendment) and 10 (7 in my amendment). Of this section, I don't like clause 7 (5 in my amendment). Looks like I forgot to remove it , but I'll present another amendment on this.

[bore]

Just going through section 4 I'll list a few of my concerns

1. I'm very concerned about the privacy implications of this, namely the fact that these videos would be available online for anyone to access. They should, in my opinion, be inaccessible unless needed for an investigation.
2. This is a good section, but the other military equipment may be too restrictive. For example I don't see why the police should be unable to buy surplus night vision goggles or stuff like that.
3. This could very easily be abused.
4. I'm fine with this as an aspiration, but we shouldn't be too restrictive. In some cases, like a cartel controlling an area the best option is for police officers with no ties to the area, so they're less easy to blackmail or control. Your average police officer should be local though.
5.I largely agree with this, with the proviso that hate groups is defined centrally and pretty narrowly. If we banned everyone with in some way questionable opinions or allegiances pretty much no one would qualify.
6. Sometimes unmarked cars are necessary for operations. Police officers should never be pretending to be acting under orders when they're not though, because that's a clear abuse of power.
7. I'm OK with this
8. I feel like this is a case by case situation. I'm fine with the police using this stuff to catch perverts on the internet or things like that.
9. I agree in principle with this section, but we need to be very very careful to avoid a paedophile with a clear file turning up as a teacher or anything like that.
10. Again, I'm fine with implementing terrorist cells or the KKK. This should be a case by case thing

[Senator Cris]

I mentioned Section 4 because it's the hottest Section and the most debated section of the text.
But I still don't like the entire bill (so also Section 2) and, as said, I'm still not ready to vote for it.
I'm working to improve it because if it'll pass (with or without my vote), it'll be better than now.
My ideal amendment would repeal the 90% of this bill, but I can't.
About 4.1 and 4.2. I'm not supporting these parts (can accept doesn't mean support). I'm not a fan of these parts and I'm open to change them.

I'm glad to see that the Vice President is so active and I hope he'll be involved in the debate of all bills in the future.