Does NH deserve its first-in-the-nation place in presidential primary season?
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President Punxsutawney Phil
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« on: March 20, 2015, 04:39:23 PM »

Exactly what it says on the tin.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/mark-shields/america-truly-needs-the-new-hampshire-primary.html
The link provided explains my stance on the issue.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2015, 04:40:14 PM »

Oh, and poll runs for seven days.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2015, 04:42:52 PM »

OH should go first.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 04:58:30 PM »

Of course not.  No state should have one of the first few caucuses or primaries every single year.  It's not fair and it distorts the process in favor of candidates who can play well in IA, NH and SC.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2015, 05:34:06 PM »

Yes because it's tradition and nothing should be changed, like ever. And who cares if it distorts the power of voters based on their location if it makes elections longer and more entertaining?
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2015, 05:54:55 PM »

I think they're a good state to host it. Iowa needs to lose it, though.

Although I would greatly prefer a national primary day.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2015, 06:21:07 PM »

No, but there will be a world war before it get's bumped down.

My most honest, non-biased response as to who should have the spot is Pennsylvania. Ohio or California should also be contenders.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2015, 06:35:07 PM »

alaska should be the first, to compensate for the fact they report last on election night. (they have a caucus though. first primary should be oregon or california)
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2015, 06:42:52 PM »

Actually, I'd switch New Hampshire and Iowa's current positions, replace South Carolina's position with Georgia, and have Nevada, Puerto Rico and Democrats Abroad go a week later. (I'd also encourage Republicans to do something like Democrats Abroad to put in that timeslot). Louisiana, New Mexico and Michigan would be the Tuesday before Super Tuesday, and from there States would be free to schedule as they please.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2015, 07:37:39 PM »

Nope. They did nothing to earn it. The idea of having a small state go first is a nice thought though, the state just needs to be rotated out. Same goes for having a southern and a western state go next. It shouldn't be South Carolina and Nevada every time.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2015, 08:46:56 PM »

Of course not.  No state should have one of the first few caucuses or primaries every single year.  It's not fair and it distorts the process in favor of candidates who can play well in IA, NH and SC.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2015, 09:16:34 PM »
« Edited: March 21, 2015, 12:09:00 AM by Stranger in a strange land »

The only fair way to do this is to have a lottery before every election cycle, maybe with the stipulation that a state can't go first twice in a row, or that the winning state has to be from a different region than the previous one.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2015, 10:54:53 PM »

No. Imo, there should either regional lotteries to decide the first four states or we should do a nation wide primary.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2015, 11:01:42 PM »

They don't really deserve it but then no one else does either.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2015, 11:13:28 PM »

If it means politicians stop having to pretend ethanol is a viable idea in order to appease Iowa farmers, I'm all for it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2015, 11:53:16 PM »

I'm in favor of the first two primaries being rotating primaries. Perhaps Rhode Island and Mississippi could go first, or Utah and North Dakota.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2015, 07:29:12 AM »

New Hampshire is, what? Inbred farmers, decaying mill towns and way too many rich Baaaawston commuters. Hard case to make, given that.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2015, 07:46:47 AM »

Nationwide simultaneous primary. End the ridiculousness.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2015, 08:23:03 AM »

Nationwide simultaneous primary. End the ridiculousness.

And thereby ensure the big money and early name-recognition candidates win. No thanks.

Meanwhile, the OP TOTALLY missed the point of the article. Shields PRAISED the retail level and close scrutiny politics of NH.

I've often opposed NH's place as the first in the nation primary, but when Shields points out it's tough to find someone who has run, served, or is serving in the State leg (or has a spouse who has), plus most of the state's population being accessible within an hour's drive of Manchester, he's converted me.

Though an argument could still be made for Delaware for it's small size and more nationally-reflective demographics.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2015, 10:56:31 AM »

And thereby ensure the big money and early name-recognition candidates win. No thanks.

Um... this is what happens anyway.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2015, 11:18:48 AM »

They don't really deserve it but then no one else does either.

This.

There should not be a nationwide primary, there should just be a few states doing it at a time.  Since no state deserves to be first all the time, the order in which states hold contests should be randomly selected through a lottery each cycle.  One state can be randomly selected for the first primary, then two for the second time, and three for the third round.  After that, the number should not exceed five.

A nationwide presidential primary would be problematic in a field of multiple candidates, and holding a few contests at a time can help eliminate candidates aren't fit for the long haul.  But no state should be entitled the special position of first all the time (and I say this as someone originally from Iowa).
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2015, 11:34:19 AM »

And thereby ensure the big money and early name-recognition candidates win. No thanks.

Um... this is what happens anyway.

As the Hillary Clinton vs. Rudy Giuliani race of 2008 proved.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2015, 12:25:39 PM »

Here's the system I think might work:

Divide the country into four regions, West, South, Midwest and Northeast.  The first four primaries rotate among those regions every year.

So, say maybe one year it's:
1st West: Arizona
2nd South: Virginia
3rd Midwest: Minnesota
4th Northeast: New Jersey

Then, you would shift the next year

1st Northeast:  Vermont
2nd West:  Oregon
3rd South:  Florida
4th: Midwest: Indiana

Then, you would also have the states rotate in each of their regions, staggered so the biggest states won't all coincide in one year like, California, Texas, New York, Illinois.
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2015, 12:43:04 PM »

As the Hillary Clinton vs. Rudy Giuliani race of 2008 proved.

Because Obama and McCain were so unknown...

Come on now. This is just knee-jerk small 'c' conservatism. Pining for a lost era of Jacksonian Democracy is not really the soundest principle on which to pick candidates.
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2015, 01:00:09 PM »

Didn't Obama actually raise about the same or slightly more money than Clinton if you only include non-General Election earmarked money?
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