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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2015, 04:57:17 PM »

1. Reagan-arch-mage of conservatism
2. George W.Bush-some social reform that wasn't awful
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Richard Nixon
6. Bill Clinton
7. Jimmy Carter
8. LBJ
9 Barack Obama


The president who told the banks he was on their side more liberal than the President who launched a war on poverty and ceased Jim Crow apartheid?

Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam

Has nothing to do with liberal or Conservative. Only Libertarians are consistently anti war and they aren't even on the political spectrum

In that case the question should be about domestic policy

Even if it's not, where do you get the logical notion or any historical evidence/reasoning to suggest that anti-war is an inherently more liberal position?  Or even civil rights, for that matter.

FFS sorry that I was wrong about LBJ. He was the most liberal President ever, and I withdraw my remarks about Obama. Better?

I've just never understood the notion that being a war hawk is to the "right" on that issue, considering we've had several liberal Presidents who were interventionist and several conservative Presidents who weren't.  It seems pretty "outside" of political ideology.
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2015, 05:07:35 PM »

Nixon was really the only liberal president
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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2015, 05:11:52 PM »

Nixon was really the only liberal president

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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2015, 01:20:11 PM »

1.) Reagan
2.) Bush W.
3.) Ford
4.) Bush H.W.
5.) Nixon
6.) Clinton
7.) Carter
8.) Obama
9.) LBJ
I should have put Nixon at #3, Ford at #4, and Bush HW at #5.
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2015, 01:32:31 PM »

In the way that Mechaman (accurately) describes conservatism and liberalism - with motives being a lot more important than methods - this is my ranking:

1. Reagan
2. W Bush
3. HW Bush
4. Nixon
5. Ford
6. Clinton
7. Obama
8. Carter
9. LBJ

If we extended back to FDR, I'd insert Truman and FDR as the most liberal, JFK behind Clinton and above Obama and Eiswnhower above HW Bush and below W Bush.
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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2015, 03:25:03 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2015, 03:27:48 PM »




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How was Hoover not a Conservative
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Hoover started the New Deal
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2015, 03:30:16 PM »

Clinton as #2.

Reformed Welfare, Passed NAFTA, Cut the capital gains tax in 1997 and repealed Glass Steagal in 1999.
Federal Spending fell from 22% of GDP in 1993 to 18% in 2000. In fact Clinton might be #1.
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2015, 04:06:41 PM »

CONSERVATIVE
-Eisenhower
-Nixon
-Reagan
-Johnson
-W. Bush
-H.W. Bush
-Ford
-Carter
-Clinton
LIBERAL
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2015, 04:31:04 PM »

CONSERVATIVE
-Eisenhower
-Nixon
-Reagan
-Johnson
-W. Bush
-H.W. Bush
-Ford
-Carter
-Clinton
LIBERAL

just........wow
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2015, 05:03:58 PM »
« Edited: March 24, 2015, 05:12:42 PM by OC »

Wartime presidents

Reagan  Denuclurized USSR
Dubya  Helped curbed Arab military agression
Bush I. Cold War ended
Nixon. Helped ended Vietnam
Ford.   Brought war torn Asia to peace process


Homeland security presidents


Carter. Had no military operation during presidency
Clinton  Reformed Taxes
Obama. Health care Reform
Johnson. Thurgood Marshall Justice on SCOTUS
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2015, 05:08:23 PM »

Reagan
Dubya
Bush I
Nixon
Ford
Eisenhower

Carter
Clinton
Obama
Kennedy
Johnson. Thurgood Marshall Justice on SCOTUS

Since 1964?
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2015, 05:30:18 PM »


How was Hoover not a Conservative
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Hoover started the New Deal
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History books say that he did not intervene during the great depression
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2015, 05:33:50 PM »


Hoover started the New Deal
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History books say that he did not intervene during the great depression
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He did not intervene to the extent he should have, but their were certain token actions taken, which many conservatives view as a massive betrayal of Coolidgeism.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2015, 11:32:19 PM »

CONSERVATIVE
-Eisenhower
-Nixon
-Reagan
-Johnson
-W. Bush
-H.W. Bush
-Ford
-Carter
-Clinton
LIBERAL

just........wow

Conservative refers to "conserving" tradition, does it not? The tradition of the post-Rooseveltian United States was the New Deal, so I ranked the presidents on how much they posed a threat to it. Liberals, obviously would seek to decimate it, such as when the radical Bill Clinton declared the end of "welfare as we know it". Compare that to conservatives like Johnson and Eisenhower who not only preserved this American tradition, but in fact expanded on it. I'll admit, not all of my placements were accurate, and some were put in place for arbitrary reasons. After all, while Reagan had a radical agenda, little of it was truly implemented, and he preserved the proud New Deal traditions of lavish federal spending and heightened nationalistic suspicion of other powers.
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2015, 01:24:22 PM »

Wartime presidents

Reagan  Denuclurized USSR
Dubya  Helped curbed Arab military agression
Bush I. Cold War ended
Nixon. Helped ended Vietnam
Ford.   Brought war torn Asia to peace process


Homeland security presidents


Carter. Had no military operation during presidency
Clinton  Reformed Taxes
Obama. Health care Reform
Johnson. Thurgood Marshall Justice on SCOTUS

Carter had Operation Eagle Claw and LBJ, really??? War consumed his entire presidency. Clinton reformed welfare, not taxes.
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2015, 01:36:06 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2015, 01:59:34 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006

What about no child left behind? Medicare reform? Massive expansion of the Federal Government>

It's basically depending on whats your definition of conservatism
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2015, 03:05:10 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006

What about no child left behind? Medicare reform? Massive expansion of the Federal Government>

It's basically depending on whats your definition of conservatism

This last part!!!  And it seems nearly everyone here has a different one.
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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2015, 03:06:05 PM »

CONSERVATIVE
-Eisenhower
-Nixon
-Reagan
-Johnson
-W. Bush
-H.W. Bush
-Ford
-Carter
-Clinton
LIBERAL

just........wow

Conservative refers to "conserving" tradition, does it not? The tradition of the post-Rooseveltian United States was the New Deal, so I ranked the presidents on how much they posed a threat to it. Liberals, obviously would seek to decimate it, such as when the radical Bill Clinton declared the end of "welfare as we know it". Compare that to conservatives like Johnson and Eisenhower who not only preserved this American tradition, but in fact expanded on it. I'll admit, not all of my placements were accurate, and some were put in place for arbitrary reasons. After all, while Reagan had a radical agenda, little of it was truly implemented, and he preserved the proud New Deal traditions of lavish federal spending and heightened nationalistic suspicion of other powers.

So would being pro-life be liberal?  I mean Roe v. Wade has stood for decades now.
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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2015, 03:20:45 PM »

Everyone has their own definition of conservative and liberal, so...
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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2015, 05:51:59 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006

What about no child left behind? Medicare reform? Massive expansion of the Federal Government>

It's basically depending on whats your definition of conservatism


1986 Amnesty for illegals, 1986 gun ban, triples debt,
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« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2015, 06:41:51 AM »

1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican


Clinton was indeed way too conservative. But Carter's domestic policy was also on the right-deregulating transport, austerity, budget-cutting. Also, Clinton at least passed a few more progressive measures (CHIP, Americorps, environmental legislation) whereas Carter did almost nothing but fold to the right. On the hand, Carter's foreign policy was relatively progressive, as he did not launch any pointless military "interventions" whereas Clinton pointlessly bombed Mid East countries through 1998. So, it's a draw.

But whereas Carter and Clinton had certain diplomatic successes in promoting peace, Obama has almost totally accepted the Bush Doctrine. Also, his civil liberties is atrocious, and except for the token stimulus, his fiscal program has mostly been austerity. He wouldn't even repeal the Bush tax cuts with a deeply Democratic Congress.

I wouldnt say too Conservative as I agree with more of those policies and I consider myself a moderate. But Obama signed Obama Care, Refuses to invade ISIS territory(I dont mean nation build I mean go in defeat ISIS and leave), Supports Amnesty, Wants to raise taxes etc. For civil liberties Conservatives and Liberals should equally support them so I would say its more of a Liberatirian thing now.

Obamacare was a bailout to insurance and a betrayal to the progressive goal of public health care-even the lousy 1993 Clinton plan let state's set up single-payer systems with their Medicare. And he's launching drones killing thousands of people with mercy over ISIS even though it's clear another Iraqi conflict would be extremely foolish. The lack of ground troops is, in my opinion, a cheap way to have war without sparking a antiwar movement. I see no sign Obama wants to raise taxes; I mean, he extended the 2001 Bush tax cuts when even some of the Blue Dog's thought it was time for an increase. Every president since Reagan has supported amnesty.


For the ISIS situation cant you go in destroy them like we did to the Taliban in 2001 then leave immediately instead of occupying the place for 10 years.

And then who occupies that power vacuum? The world is not that simple.
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« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2015, 10:39:22 AM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006

What about no child left behind? Medicare reform? Massive expansion of the Federal Government>

It's basically depending on whats your definition of conservatism


1986 Amnesty for illegals, 1986 gun ban, triples debt,

I feel like you're judging everyone off of these black and white standards that one learns in an intermediate AP Gov. class, LOL.  He can do some "liberal" things and still be one of the most conservative Presidents when it gets down to his views and rhetoric as a whole.
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« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2015, 11:55:57 AM »

1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican


Clinton was indeed way too conservative. But Carter's domestic policy was also on the right-deregulating transport, austerity, budget-cutting. Also, Clinton at least passed a few more progressive measures (CHIP, Americorps, environmental legislation) whereas Carter did almost nothing but fold to the right. On the hand, Carter's foreign policy was relatively progressive, as he did not launch any pointless military "interventions" whereas Clinton pointlessly bombed Mid East countries through 1998. So, it's a draw.

But whereas Carter and Clinton had certain diplomatic successes in promoting peace, Obama has almost totally accepted the Bush Doctrine. Also, his civil liberties is atrocious, and except for the token stimulus, his fiscal program has mostly been austerity. He wouldn't even repeal the Bush tax cuts with a deeply Democratic Congress.

I wouldnt say too Conservative as I agree with more of those policies and I consider myself a moderate. But Obama signed Obama Care, Refuses to invade ISIS territory(I dont mean nation build I mean go in defeat ISIS and leave), Supports Amnesty, Wants to raise taxes etc. For civil liberties Conservatives and Liberals should equally support them so I would say its more of a Liberatirian thing now.

Obamacare was a bailout to insurance and a betrayal to the progressive goal of public health care-even the lousy 1993 Clinton plan let state's set up single-payer systems with their Medicare. And he's launching drones killing thousands of people with mercy over ISIS even though it's clear another Iraqi conflict would be extremely foolish. The lack of ground troops is, in my opinion, a cheap way to have war without sparking a antiwar movement. I see no sign Obama wants to raise taxes; I mean, he extended the 2001 Bush tax cuts when even some of the Blue Dog's thought it was time for an increase. Every president since Reagan has supported amnesty.


For the ISIS situation cant you go in destroy them like we did to the Taliban in 2001 then leave immediately instead of occupying the place for 10 years.

And then who occupies that power vacuum? The world is not that simple.

Iraq occupies that power vacuum as it is their territory. And if ISIS make any attempt to re militarize we just airstrike them before they can. If they do militarize successfully we go in and destroy them again. Fighting 1 month wars every three-four years is better then an constant air campaign over 8-10 years
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