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« on: March 21, 2015, 04:45:26 PM »
« edited: March 21, 2015, 05:06:46 PM by Computer09 »

Presidents
1. George W Bush(Most Conservative)
2. Ronald Reagan
3. Bill Clinton
4. George HW Bush
5. Richard Nixon
6. Gerald Ford
7. Barrack Obama
8 . Jimmy Carter
9.  Lyndon B Johnson(Most Liberal)


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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2015, 05:06:29 PM »

1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2015, 05:23:46 PM »

1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican


Clinton was indeed way too conservative. But Carter's domestic policy was also on the right-deregulating transport, austerity, budget-cutting. Also, Clinton at least passed a few more progressive measures (CHIP, Americorps, environmental legislation) whereas Carter did almost nothing but fold to the right. On the hand, Carter's foreign policy was relatively progressive, as he did not launch any pointless military "interventions" whereas Clinton pointlessly bombed Mid East countries through 1998. So, it's a draw.

But whereas Carter and Clinton had certain diplomatic successes in promoting peace, Obama has almost totally accepted the Bush Doctrine. Also, his civil liberties is atrocious, and except for the token stimulus, his fiscal program has mostly been austerity. He wouldn't even repeal the Bush tax cuts with a deeply Democratic Congress.

I wouldnt say too Conservative as I agree with more of those policies and I consider myself a moderate. But Obama signed Obama Care, Refuses to invade ISIS territory(I dont mean nation build I mean go in defeat ISIS and leave), Supports Amnesty, Wants to raise taxes etc. For civil liberties Conservatives and Liberals should equally support them so I would say its more of a Liberatirian thing now.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2015, 05:49:37 PM »

1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican


Clinton was indeed way too conservative. But Carter's domestic policy was also on the right-deregulating transport, austerity, budget-cutting. Also, Clinton at least passed a few more progressive measures (CHIP, Americorps, environmental legislation) whereas Carter did almost nothing but fold to the right. On the hand, Carter's foreign policy was relatively progressive, as he did not launch any pointless military "interventions" whereas Clinton pointlessly bombed Mid East countries through 1998. So, it's a draw.

But whereas Carter and Clinton had certain diplomatic successes in promoting peace, Obama has almost totally accepted the Bush Doctrine. Also, his civil liberties is atrocious, and except for the token stimulus, his fiscal program has mostly been austerity. He wouldn't even repeal the Bush tax cuts with a deeply Democratic Congress.

I wouldnt say too Conservative as I agree with more of those policies and I consider myself a moderate. But Obama signed Obama Care, Refuses to invade ISIS territory(I dont mean nation build I mean go in defeat ISIS and leave), Supports Amnesty, Wants to raise taxes etc. For civil liberties Conservatives and Liberals should equally support them so I would say its more of a Liberatirian thing now.

Obamacare was a bailout to insurance and a betrayal to the progressive goal of public health care-even the lousy 1993 Clinton plan let state's set up single-payer systems with their Medicare. And he's launching drones killing thousands of people with mercy over ISIS even though it's clear another Iraqi conflict would be extremely foolish. The lack of ground troops is, in my opinion, a cheap way to have war without sparking a antiwar movement. I see no sign Obama wants to raise taxes; I mean, he extended the 2001 Bush tax cuts when even some of the Blue Dog's thought it was time for an increase. Every president since Reagan has supported amnesty.


For the ISIS situation cant you go in destroy them like we did to the Taliban in 2001 then leave immediately instead of occupying the place for 10 years.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2015, 01:59:49 PM »

1. Reagan-arch-mage of conservatism
2. George W.Bush-some social reform that wasn't awful
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Richard Nixon
6. Bill Clinton
7. Jimmy Carter
8. LBJ
9 Barack Obama


The president who told the banks he was on their side more liberal than the President who launched a war on poverty and ceased Jim Crow apartheid?

Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam

Has nothing to do with liberal or Conservative. Only Libertarians are consistently anti war and they aren't even on the political spectrum
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2015, 02:08:21 AM »

Most Conservative to Most Liberal:
1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. George W Bush
5. George HW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. Barack Obama
7. Lyndon B. Johnson

None of these presidents are Conservative at all from my standpoint. The last real conservative was Coolidge. Reagan talked the game, but didn't follow through enough. It would be different if he never said he was influenced from people like Hayek, Mises, Friedman, and Walker.

Clinton is also supremely underrated. Dude was pretty damn fiscally conservative for a Democrat. Sorta like Kennedy.

How was Hoover not a Conservative
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2015, 05:11:52 PM »

Nixon was really the only liberal president

How
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 05:30:18 PM »


How was Hoover not a Conservative
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Hoover started the New Deal
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History books say that he did not intervene during the great depression
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 01:36:06 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 05:51:59 PM »

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bill Clinton
3. Gerald Ford
4. GW Bush
5. Jimmy Carter
6. GHW Bush
7. Richard Nixon
8. Obama
9. Lyndon B Johnson

I am basing this almost entirely on economics.

People forget that Reaganomics began under Carter. Carter deregulated airlines-1978, trucking-1980, banking-1980. Carter in 1980 propsed a tax cut and higher defense spending.

Nixon floated the USD, tried to regulated wages and prices.

Ford was a fiscal conservative but after Wategate and 1974 elections many of his vetos were overridden.

I have George W Bush #1 because when he cut taxes he didnt cut any loop holes like Reagan did in the tax code. Plus Bush increased military spending to more then anytime since Vietnam when he inherited a military more cut then any time since 1946-1949. Plus he did nothing to hold the housing boom in 2005-2006

What about no child left behind? Medicare reform? Massive expansion of the Federal Government>

It's basically depending on whats your definition of conservatism


1986 Amnesty for illegals, 1986 gun ban, triples debt,
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 11:55:57 AM »

1. George W Bush
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George HW Bush
4. Gerald Ford
5. Barack Obama
6. Richard Nixon
7. Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter
8 . Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton
9.  Lyndon B Johnson

It wasn't entirely sure about seven and eight.

How was Bill Clinton more Liberal then Obama,Carter, Nixon


Bill Clinton- Cut the growth of government more then any president then IKE
                   Signed NAFTA
                   Welfare Reform of 1996
                   Deregulation
                   DOMA
                   

If it werent for Social Issues he would basically be a Republican


Clinton was indeed way too conservative. But Carter's domestic policy was also on the right-deregulating transport, austerity, budget-cutting. Also, Clinton at least passed a few more progressive measures (CHIP, Americorps, environmental legislation) whereas Carter did almost nothing but fold to the right. On the hand, Carter's foreign policy was relatively progressive, as he did not launch any pointless military "interventions" whereas Clinton pointlessly bombed Mid East countries through 1998. So, it's a draw.

But whereas Carter and Clinton had certain diplomatic successes in promoting peace, Obama has almost totally accepted the Bush Doctrine. Also, his civil liberties is atrocious, and except for the token stimulus, his fiscal program has mostly been austerity. He wouldn't even repeal the Bush tax cuts with a deeply Democratic Congress.

I wouldnt say too Conservative as I agree with more of those policies and I consider myself a moderate. But Obama signed Obama Care, Refuses to invade ISIS territory(I dont mean nation build I mean go in defeat ISIS and leave), Supports Amnesty, Wants to raise taxes etc. For civil liberties Conservatives and Liberals should equally support them so I would say its more of a Liberatirian thing now.

Obamacare was a bailout to insurance and a betrayal to the progressive goal of public health care-even the lousy 1993 Clinton plan let state's set up single-payer systems with their Medicare. And he's launching drones killing thousands of people with mercy over ISIS even though it's clear another Iraqi conflict would be extremely foolish. The lack of ground troops is, in my opinion, a cheap way to have war without sparking a antiwar movement. I see no sign Obama wants to raise taxes; I mean, he extended the 2001 Bush tax cuts when even some of the Blue Dog's thought it was time for an increase. Every president since Reagan has supported amnesty.


For the ISIS situation cant you go in destroy them like we did to the Taliban in 2001 then leave immediately instead of occupying the place for 10 years.

And then who occupies that power vacuum? The world is not that simple.

Iraq occupies that power vacuum as it is their territory. And if ISIS make any attempt to re militarize we just airstrike them before they can. If they do militarize successfully we go in and destroy them again. Fighting 1 month wars every three-four years is better then an constant air campaign over 8-10 years
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