Opinion of the Cabrini-Green Housing Projects?

[Beet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes

[they don't love you like i love you]

Would still rather live there than a suburb

[they don't love you like i love you]

If I lived there I could still easily go to cool places in Chicago. Not like I'd be stuck there all day constantly.

[Sumner 1868]

If I lived there I could still easily go to cool places in Chicago. Not like I'd be stuck there all day constantly.

This paragraph from Wikipedia is mild compared to many primary sources:

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And yet it still sounds nicer than Shelby County.

[Mr. Illini]

Would still rather live there than a suburb

This is an insult to all of the people that were forced to live in Cabrini's conditions.

[The Dowager Mod]

One time I had a long wait at the Greyhound station not far from there, so of course I went for a stroll around Cabrini Green, no one bothered me they probably thought I was nuts.

[Kushahontas]

Would still rather live there than a suburb

No, you wouldn't.

[Comrade Funk]

Would still rather live there than a suburb

No, you wouldn't.

[Alcon]

yeah, BRTD, come on.

[Indy Texas]

Would still rather live there than a suburb

Mayor Jane Byrne said the same thing.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

[Türkisblau]

Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

Wow. This is so insensitive and idiotic at the same time.

I hope you actually move into an absolutely crime ridden tenement one day to experience life there - I bet that you'll be clamoring for a suburb after that.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Uh I already live in a fairly high crime area.

[Torie]

God allowed Nobel to invent dynamite for a reason.

[Torie]

Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

Chicago has real cool L and subway and train lines. You might try them sometime.

[they don't love you like i love you]

You're not being cute, BRTD. Cut it out. This is akin to arguing that you'd cheerfully sign up for fighting in the trenches on the Western Front for the chance to see the beautiful French countryside.

My attitude on this needs to be understood in context. I grew up in North Dakota and wanted to get out and move to a big city...but many people around were talking about how horrifying that is because all big cities are universally terrible places and you'd never survive and if you want to move to a bigger metro at least go to a suburb. So I vowed to never live in a suburb.

[Kushahontas]

Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

Chicago has real cool L and subway and train lines. You might try them sometime.

[traininthedistance]

For the love of God, BRTD.  You do realize that one of the main reasons those North Dakotans and assorted suburbanites across the country have/had such a fearful view of city life was precisely because of Cabrini-Green and similar disasters?

This line of argument is– and here I am speaking especially as a committed urbanist and a fellow refugee from the burbs– offensively counterproductive.  Please never make it again, thanks.

[Mr. Illini]

Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

You really don't realize how crime-ridden these projects were and the constant fear that tenants lived in.

Btw I grew up in the Chicago suburbs and I could indeed be in the city every day, all the time if I wanted to and had the time. We have trains here.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

You're not being cute, BRTD. Cut it out. This is akin to arguing that you'd cheerfully sign up for fighting in the trenches on the Western Front for the chance to see the beautiful French countryside.

My attitude on this needs to be understood in context. I grew up in North Dakota and wanted to get out and move to a big city...but many people around were talking about how horrifying that is because all big cities are universally terrible places and you'd never survive and if you want to move to a bigger metro at least go to a suburb. So I vowed to never live in a suburb.

Because it's wise to go the rest of your life guided by an "F#ck you, Dad!" mentality developed during your adolescence. After all, if there's one thing we know, it's that you never need to mature beyond your freshman year of high school.

[they don't love you like i love you]

You're not being cute, BRTD. Cut it out. This is akin to arguing that you'd cheerfully sign up for fighting in the trenches on the Western Front for the chance to see the beautiful French countryside.

My attitude on this needs to be understood in context. I grew up in North Dakota and wanted to get out and move to a big city...but many people around were talking about how horrifying that is because all big cities are universally terrible places and you'd never survive and if you want to move to a bigger metro at least go to a suburb. So I vowed to never live in a suburb.

Because it's wise to go the rest of your life guided by an "F#ck you, Dad!" mentality developed during your adolescence. After all, if there's one thing we know, it's that you never need to mature beyond your freshman year of high school.

Uh, seeing as you actually live in the city most associated with "OMG URBAN AREAS ARE ALL TERRIBLE!" and don't seem to mind I thought you'd be more around my opinion here.

Having to sleep in such a place can be tolerable as long as you can still get to the cool parts of Chicago (and if it's that close to the Greyhound station, where I've been, it's VERY cool), you could just spend all day away from home. In a suburb you can't be in the cool parts of Chicago all the time.

Chicago has real cool L and subway and train lines. You might try them sometime.

Not likely. The Greyhound and Megabus stops are already right in the heart of the city, so the only reason I'd have to use them is if I was traveling TO the suburbs...so I'd have no reason to ever use them.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

You're not being cute, BRTD. Cut it out. This is akin to arguing that you'd cheerfully sign up for fighting in the trenches on the Western Front for the chance to see the beautiful French countryside.

My attitude on this needs to be understood in context. I grew up in North Dakota and wanted to get out and move to a big city...but many people around were talking about how horrifying that is because all big cities are universally terrible places and you'd never survive and if you want to move to a bigger metro at least go to a suburb. So I vowed to never live in a suburb.

Because it's wise to go the rest of your life guided by an "F#ck you, Dad!" mentality developed during your adolescence. After all, if there's one thing we know, it's that you never need to mature beyond your freshman year of high school.

Uh, seeing as you actually live in the city most associated with "OMG URBAN AREAS ARE ALL TERRIBLE!" and don't seem to mind I thought you'd be more around my opinion here.

I think Cathcon finds your reasoning for your opinion more objectionable than the opinion itself, but I could be wrong.

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Chicago has real cool L and subway and train lines. You might try them sometime.
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Not likely. The Greyhound and Megabus stops are already right in the heart of the city, so the only reason I'd have to use them is if I was traveling TO the suburbs...so I'd have no reason to ever use them.
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I think Torie is insinuating that living in a Chicago suburb would not isolate you from the cool parts of Chicago nearly as much as you think it would, but I could be wrong.

[they don't love you like i love you]

My main thing has always been this, I hate driving to shows because: 1-parking is usually scarce and hard to find and 2-I can't drink as much as I want without worrying about a DUI. So let's pick some typical suburb of DuPage County like, oh say Elmhurst. So per Google Maps I could take a transit line there to Uptown but...it'd take 1 hour and 21 minutes. One way. So I have to plan an extra 2 1/2 hours out of my day every time I want to go to a show. And how much would that fare be anyway? Yeah not a viable option. And yes I do go to shows often enough for this to be a serious concern.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

You know, I'm actually with you on that. An eighty-one-minute commute to a show is genuinely unreasonable for someone with your lifestyle. I agree entirely.

[Boris]

The train costs like $3 one way. When I lived in DuPage County I would take the train into the city all the time and stay at friends' places overnight (the ride is from the Wheaton train station to Ogilvy downtown is just long enough to casually drink a 40). Which is obviously inferior to living a nice part of Chicago but certainly better than living at f'ing Cabrini-Green.