Hillary Clinton Retains Strong Appeal to American Women

[Adam Griffin]

KILL THIS WITH FIRE

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Casting a write-in is different than voting Republican.

Not really. At least if you live in a swing state.

I disagree.

[Oak Hills]

Casting a write-in is different than voting Republican.

Not really. At least if you live in a swing state.

Only if you would also consider not voting voting for a Republican.  Which is absolutely ridiculous.

[All Along The Watchtower]

i.e. "Why are white men holding America back?"

[Beet]

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

[Oak Hills]

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

Exactly.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

I reject the premise that the choice is only between A and B.  The only people who have no right to complain are a the ones who simply don't vote at all.

[King]

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

I reject the premise that the choice is only between A and B.  The only people who have no right to complain are a the ones who simply don't vote at all.

Unless you are actively campaigning for Choice C or Choice C has a legitimate shot, you might as well not vote at all than support Choice C. You're basically voting Present.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

I reject the premise that the choice is only between A and B.  The only people who have no right to complain are a the ones who simply don't vote at all.

Unless you are actively campaigning for Choice C or Choice C has a legitimate shot, you might as well not vote at all than support Choice C. You're basically voting Present.

No, you're really not.  That's a common tactic used by members of both parties to try to delegitimize any desire by others in their party to register their dissatisfaction with their party's nominee.  You're sending the message that your party isn't entitled to your vote and that if they want it, then they need to nominate someone you consider worth voting for.  There's nothing wrong with casting a protest vote, despite all the propaganda the Democratic and Republican parties put out there in a largely successful effort to discourage voters from ever doing so.

[Beet]

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

I reject the premise that the choice is only between A and B.  The only people who have no right to complain are a the ones who simply don't vote at all.

Unless you are actively campaigning for Choice C or Choice C has a legitimate shot, you might as well not vote at all than support Choice C. You're basically voting Present.

No, you're really not.  That's a common tactic used by members of both parties to try to delegitimize any desire by others in their party to register their dissatisfaction with their party's nominee.

But it doesn't delegitimize the registration of dissatisfaction to point out that the typical election is between a Republican and a Democrat and a third party has no shot.

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It doesn't matter what message you think you're "sending." You're not actually sending any message by voting for C other than that you voted for C, because no one knows anything else about you.

[bobloblaw]

The difference between Obama and blacks versus Hillary and women is that Hillary will never get 95-97% of the female vote. There will be numerous female spokespeople after Hillary is elected that will attack Pres Clinton on all sorts of issues in a way that never happen with Obama and blacks.

Women will also have less loyalty to Hillary than blacks do to Obama. Hillary can try the Obama tactic that any opposition is sexist, but it will fall flat and fail, just like everything Hillary does.