"Shoot the Gays" Measure May Make Ballot in California
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2015, 06:06:33 PM »

No, it won't "make the ballot." No one thinks it will make the ballot except for the person who writes headlines and articles for that website to make them clickier.
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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2015, 06:13:10 PM »

Come to think of it, it might break 10%. This is the lowest I've ever seen a referendum get and even it barely broke 10%. Though it would be interesting to see if this got less.

And you can bring up a couple examples of the type of people who'd unironically support this, but it's clear they're an extreme fringe majority. I still bet that a majority of people who'd sign this would do so only for amusement. The same thing that was clearly happening with this poll.
How'd that one do so well (relatively) in Shannon County?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge_Indian_Reservation

While this was clearly a right-wing militia/sovereign citizen backed measure, it's not too hard to see why it would be appealing to such a neglected and disenfranchised people.
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2015, 06:20:13 PM »

I wouldn't dismiss the chance it has of making the ballot, there are a lot of extremists out there and those extremists are good at framing ideas as something else in order to get them on the ballot.
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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2015, 06:30:26 PM »

I wouldn't dismiss the chance it has of making the ballot, there are a lot of extremists out there and those extremists are good at framing ideas as something else in order to get them on the ballot.

It requires over 365,000 people to sign a paper and go on the record as supporting a "final solution" for gays.
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2015, 06:31:51 PM »

I have a hard time believing the average Mississippi/Alabama Republican is more liberal than the average California Republican.  I mean, 65% of Mississippians said in a 2000 poll (I think?) that AIDS was a punishment from God, so that would've meant 80%+ of GOPers.

Your reasoning is faulty. You assume that black Mississippi Democrats are more liberal than white Mississippi Republicans. But they're not.
They all live in the Bible Belt and thus they are in no way inferior to each other.
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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2015, 06:34:09 PM »

I wouldn't dismiss the chance it has of making the ballot, there are a lot of extremists out there and those extremists are good at framing ideas as something else in order to get them on the ballot.

It requires over 365,000 people to sign a paper and go on the record as supporting a "final solution" for gays.

That's not how extremists will frame it when they go out with the petition, though. They'll say it's a petition for the defense of marriage or something similar.
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2015, 06:39:00 PM »

No, it won't "make the ballot." No one thinks it will make the ballot except for the person who writes headlines and articles for that website to make them clickier.

I tried telling them that already, but hey, we're here on Page 2 anyway.
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2015, 07:23:11 PM »

I have a hard time believing the average Mississippi/Alabama Republican is more liberal than the average California Republican.  I mean, 65% of Mississippians said in a 2000 poll (I think?) that AIDS was a punishment from God, so that would've meant 80%+ of GOPers.

Why do you have a hard time believing that. In Mississippi and Alabama you'll get moderates who don't care too much about the parties participating in politics as a Republican because of the bandwagon/wasted vote syndrome.  In California, you have to be a true believe to bother with being a Republican.
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2015, 08:01:42 PM »
« Edited: March 22, 2015, 08:03:15 PM by Joe Republic »

CA Republicans are the most right-wing in the country, so of course they'd do something extreme, but this is just terrible. I doubt a Homocaust will get any votes outside of extremists.

Also, this makes me question what CA would be like if the parties were nearly the same like in Rhode Island.

They are?

Republicans in the legislature are, at least:


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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2015, 10:19:27 PM »

Come to think of it, it might break 10%. This is the lowest I've ever seen a referendum get and even it barely broke 10%. Though it would be interesting to see if this got less.

And you can bring up a couple examples of the type of people who'd unironically support this, but it's clear they're an extreme fringe majority. I still bet that a majority of people who'd sign this would do so only for amusement. The same thing that was clearly happening with this poll.
How'd that one do so well (relatively) in Shannon County?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge_Indian_Reservation

While this was clearly a right-wing militia/sovereign citizen backed measure, it's not too hard to see why it would be appealing to such a neglected and disenfranchised people.

I don't know the background behind this but I don't see why this would be especially attractive to any of the groups you mention. Reads just like something cooked up by an overzealous opponent of corruption.
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2015, 11:33:23 AM »

I have a hard time believing the average Mississippi/Alabama Republican is more liberal than the average California Republican.  I mean, 65% of Mississippians said in a 2000 poll (I think?) that AIDS was a punishment from God, so that would've meant 80%+ of GOPers.

Your reasoning is faulty. You assume that black Mississippi Democrats are more liberal than white Mississippi Republicans. But they're not.
They all live in the Bible Belt and thus they are in no way inferior to each other.

Black Mississippi Dems are definitely more liberal than the Republicans. 

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173718.0

They overwhelmingly rejected the Personhood Amendment, for instance.
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2015, 05:23:54 PM »

CA Republicans are the most right-wing in the country, so of course they'd do something extreme, but this is just terrible. I doubt a Homocaust will get any votes outside of extremists.

Also, this makes me question what CA would be like if the parties were nearly the same like in Rhode Island.

They are?

All the sane ones started voting Democrat?
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2015, 06:59:39 PM »

Admittedly the lawyer who filed this has his PO box a few blocks from my high school.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2015, 09:22:56 PM »

Of course black Mississippi Democrats are more liberal than white Mississippi Republicans on virtually all issues, with gay marriage being the only one that's close...

Also, I'm really skeptical that 65% or whatever of Mississippians ever said AIDS is God's punishment of the gays. If it did happen, it was one of those gotcha loaded questions, and 2000 is too early for PPP.
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2015, 09:40:05 PM »

Admittedly the lawyer who filed this has his PO box a few blocks from my high school.

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