Presidential Survivor Discussion

[Emsworth]

Meaningless, FDR had to end the Great Depression and win WWII.

Well, to be fair, the increased deficit spending did not end the Great Depression.

[A18]

Where are all the "civil libertarian" Democrat nutjobs complaining about Lincoln? I think putting states under martial law is a little worse than the Patriot Act.

We're anti-slavery.

Are you anti-terrorism?

[Beet]

Where are all the "civil libertarian" Democrat nutjobs complaining about Lincoln? I think putting states under martial law is a little worse than the Patriot Act.

We're anti-slavery.

Are you anti-terrorism?

We have no problem with putting terrorists under martial law.

[The Duke]

Where are all the "civil libertarian" Democrat nutjobs complaining about Lincoln? I think putting states under martial law is a little worse than the Patriot Act.

We're anti-slavery.

Are you anti-terrorism?

We have no problem with putting terrorists under martial law.

Givent hat terrorists have cells throughout the United States, I think the above statement is of dubious accuracy.

Where are all the "civil libertarian" Democrat nutjobs complaining about Lincoln? I think putting states under martial law is a little worse than the Patriot Act.

We're anti-slavery.

Don't forget pro-terrorism.

After all, this is the implication of your post, that suspending civil liberties is acceptable in the case of defeating something that is wrong, but not in cases where there is not something that must be defeated.

I can only deduce that you believe slavery was bad but terrorism is not.

Foolish Jedi, your powers are no match for me.

[The Duke]

The national debt did not increase as fast as it did under Democrat hero FDR.  The Iran-Contra Affair saved central America from communism.  His economic policies ended stagflation and tripled the value of the stock market.  Unemployment and inflation were both lower at the end of his term than at the start.

Next time you think about saying something, play it safe and stay quiet.

Meaningless, FDR had to end the Great Depression and win WWII. Since World War II, the national debt / GDP has gone down under every Democratic President (Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton). It's gone up under the last 4 Republicans (the Bushes, Ford, and Reagan), in particular Dubya and Reagan.

This is all while every Democratic President for the last 80 years had a higher average annual percentage increase in the number of jobs than every Republican President.

Even before WWII, the deficits adjusted for inflation surpassed the 80s deficits.

These deficits did not end the depression.  When the draft was instituted in 1939, Unemployment was at 17%.

Your comments are contradictory anyway.  I say Reagan bought victory against Stagflation and in the Cold War.  You say it doesn't matter because he had deficits.  I point out that FDR had larger deficits.  You say it doesn't matter becasue he had a war to win and a recession to end.  Either its worth it to buy foreign and domestic gains and pay for them with deficits or its not.

The Democrats also had greater difficulty with inflation.  If you knew anything about econnomics, you'd know that there is a trafeoff between the two.  This is why there is a Political Compass question about inflation v. unemployment.  Republicans fight inflation, Democrats fight unemployment.

The national debt did not increase as fast as it did under Democrat hero FDR.

I never implied that I had any particular affection for Roosevelt's presidency.

While I applaud Reagan for his tax cuts, his economic policy was, in my view, undermined by the ridiculous increases in defense spending. These absurdly high increases were far from necessary.

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Nevertheless, the actions involved contravened the law and the will of Congress.

I obviously disagree that his defense spending was unjustified, but that's another matter.  The defense spending boosted the economy by creating jobs both in and out of the military, so I don't see how it hurt the economy.  As for Iran-Contra, Lincoln's actions violated the Constitution and the will of the Supreme Court.  The law can become a secondary matter in wartime situations.

[dazzleman]

The Republicans reacted to the Democrats attempting to knock off Dubya by beating you guys at your own game and taking out FDR and LBJ. Then again, you try to knock off Dubya and barely are able to before Clinton gets taken out. Now, you try to vote off the best President since Truman just because he was a Republican.

Absolutely correct.  Certain Democrats on this board have been on a single-minded crusade to eliminate George W. Bush from day one.  That is the only reason the rest of us voted off LBJ and FDR.

In their typical fashion, they claim that their drive against Bush is to seek revenge for FDR and LBJ, which is about on the level with most of their logic, since their drive against Bush is the only reason FDR and LBJ were eliminated when they were.

There was no move to get rid of Clinton until after the Democrats voted off George W. Bush, which we could have prevented if not for the fecklessness of certain people on our side.

Certain of the Democrats have barely voted for anybody but George W. Bush.  I can't think of any Republicans who have exhibited such single-minded hostility to any Democratic president (Lincoln is the only recipient of the consistent hostility of certain Republicans, ironically). 

It's amazing that in a historical game, these people would first focus on the president for whom we have the least historical perspective, and be willing to pay such a steep price for voting him off.  This is why the people and policies that these type of people support should never be returned to power.  They are truly dangerous because they are much more motivated by negative than positive things.  And now it's our job to make them pay a very steep price for their actions.

[The Duke]

The Republicans reacted to the Democrats attempting to knock off Dubya by beating you guys at your own game and taking out FDR and LBJ. Then again, you try to knock off Dubya and barely are able to before Clinton gets taken out. Now, you try to vote off the best President since Truman just because he was a Republican.

Absolutely correct.  Certain Democrats on this board have been on a single-minded crusade to eliminate George W. Bush from day one.  That is the only reason the rest of us voted off LBJ and FDR.

In their typical fashion, they claim that their drive against Bush is to seek revenge for FDR and LBJ, which is about on the level with most of their logic, since their drive against Bush is the only reason FDR and LBJ were eliminated when they were.

There was no move to get rid of Clinton until after the Democrats voted off George W. Bush, which we could have prevented if not for the fecklessness of certain people on our side.

Certain of the Democrats have barely voted for anybody but George W. Bush.  I can't think of any Republicans who have exhibited such single-minded hostility to any Democratic president (Lincoln is the only recipient of the consistent hostility of certain Republicans, ironically). 

It's amazing that in a historical game, these people would first focus on the president for whom we have the least historical perspective, and be willing to pay such a steep price for voting him off.  This is why the people and policies that these type of people support should never be returned to power.  They are truly dangerous because they are much more motivated by negative than positive things.  And now it's our job to make them pay a very steep price for their actions.

I'm pretty sure this couldn't have been said better.

[Emsworth]

Absolutely correct.  Certain Democrats on this board have been on a single-minded crusade to eliminate George W. Bush from day one.

I completely agree, but I wish to add that there have been members of the other party "crusading" to eliminate Democratic Presidents, too. Neither side should bear all of the blame.

We still have some 19th century presidential deadwood to get rid of, e.g. Chester Arthur.

 

[Jake]

Some Democrats (EarlAW, jfraud, etc) have voted exclusively for Bush throughout the entire game. The only Republicans who has done that has been StatesRights, ironically, voting for a Republican.

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The worst President (George W. Bush) was elimianetd AFTER the best President (FDR). Dubya is gone, get over it.

[Emsworth]

Some Democrats (EarlAW, jfraud, etc) have voted exclusively for Bush throughout the entire game. The only Republicans who has done that has been StatesRights, ironically, voting for a Republican.

Well, for what it's worth, Lincoln was practically a RINO.

[??????????]

Some Democrats (EarlAW, jfraud, etc) have voted exclusively for Bush throughout the entire game. The only Republicans who has done that has been StatesRights, ironically, voting for a Republican.

Er, I'm not really a Republican.

[The Duke]

New topic:  Coolidge deserves to go.  His tax cuts are overrated (They only cut taxes from wartime to postwar levels anyway) and he let speculation and the like continue and this allowed the stock market crash.  He skipped town instead of run for another term largely because he probably knew wherethings were going.

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New topic:  Coolidge deserves to go.  His tax cuts are overrated (They only cut taxes from wartime to postwar levels anyway) and he let speculation and the like continue and this allowed the stock market crash.  He skipped town instead of run for another term largely because he probably knew wherethings were going.

Maybe next turn. At least he didn't shut down all the newspapers that criticized him.

[??????????]

New topic:  Coolidge deserves to go.  His tax cuts are overrated (They only cut taxes from wartime to postwar levels anyway) and he let speculation and the like continue and this allowed the stock market crash.  He skipped town instead of run for another term largely because he probably knew wherethings were going.

Maybe next turn. At least he didn't shut down all the newspapers that criticized him.

Yes, Lincoln was a horrible "president".

[A18]

New topic:  Coolidge deserves to go.  His tax cuts are overrated (They only cut taxes from wartime to postwar levels anyway) and he let speculation and the like continue and this allowed the stock market crash.  He skipped town instead of run for another term largely because he probably knew wherethings were going.

Not everyone supported going back to pre-war levels, and in fact, not even Coolidge could accomplish that.

[The Duke]

Vote Coolidge to save Reagan, Lincolnc, and Polk.

[Schmitz in 1972]

No! Coolidge was a principled decent man and a good president. Vote off Kennedy or Eisenhower or someone like that

BTW I think we have a new winner for the closest, most intense round ever

[Blue Rectangle]

Now continued here.