FL-SEN: Is Rubio about to bungle it?

[publicunofficial]

There's a very annoying contingent of posters on Atlas: Hillary supporters who are constantly buttmad that people call her liberalism into question, and to counteract that they whine and moan any time a conservative Democrat is getting support.

I'm sorry pointing out hypocrisy annoys you. There's no logic whatsoever in bitching about Hillary being a "neoliberal right winger" or whatever then supporting Patrick Murphy who is objectively to her right on basically every issue. Florida is not that different from the country as a whole in terms of the D-R margin, so that excuse can't be used like it could be for someone like Manchin.

Granted, Clinton1996 made a good point in that Grayson would likely run a destructive scorched earth campaign whereas Hillary's opponents won't, but that would explain anti-Grayson views, not so much pro-Murphy views. Secondly, many of the Hillary haters would love it if a candidate ran an intensively negative campaign against her, so it's still an inconsistency.

For the record, I am a Hillary supporter who also supports Sanders run. I want to see Hillary challenged not because I dislike her or want someone else, but because the presidential primaries are very important events in which many issues get attention that wouldn't otherwise. There's a big difference between state primaries and national ones, I know you know that.

Also, equating Florida to the nation at large and saying they are just about equally liberal is misleading. Surely you recognize the difference being willing to vote for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, who while liberal are also restrained and pragmatic, and electing just any old Democrat.

And I cannot stress this enough: Alan Grayson will not lose because he's too liberal. Does everyone forget that he's involved in a messy divorce? That he called his opponent a member of the Taliban? If Alan Grayson were a Republican, I'd be salivating for him to get in the race. And at the same time, if Murphy were a Republican I'd be very scared of him.

I'm responding to you and not to Beet, because you seem more honest in your complaints whereas Beet is mostly a contrarian troll.

Well then in that case, I'm not referring to you specifically.

As for your second point, I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Can you elaborate?

And yes, I agree Grayson is an awful candidate in many ways. For the record, I do support Murphy, simply because he seems most electable and I don't think Grayson/DWS could win statewide barring a miracle or a huge wave. I tend to agree with the guy who said Castor would be a decent statewide candidate without the blue dog baggage, but she's probably not running.

Castor would be great, but she has never really seemed interested so Murphy it is.

What I meant in my second point was that when Florida goes blue in Presidential elections, it's usually because the Democrats have compromised or underplayed certain issues. As is tradition in Presidential politics.

Also, saying Florida is about as liberal as America as a whole means less when you remember that A) America is pretty conservative and B ) Grayson or DWS probably can't get elected as President either.

[The Other Castro]

All Democratic Senators vote with the Democratic Party the great majority of the time, and the same is true with Republicans and their party. In Senate elections, you are voting for a vote for the Democratic or Republican agenda. Beet, there comes a time when you need to sacrifice your preferred ideology in a candidate for the sake of winning.

[Donerail]

In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times' political editor Adam Smith discussing his offshore investments, Alan Grayson asked Smith: "are you some kind of shing robot? You go around shing on on people?”

[Maxwell]

In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times' political editor Adam Smith discussing his offshore investments, Alan Grayson asked Smith: "are you some kind of shing robot? You go around shing on on people?”

Make this man President.

[RogueBeaver]

Grayson gonna Grayson.

[Flake]

Freedom fighters

Patrick Murphy (FL-18) introduced a bill to the House that would stop seismic wave testing for oil, being co-sponsored by Gwen Graham (FL-2), Corrine Brown (FL-5), Bill Posey (FL-8), Alcee Hastings (FL-20), Lois Frankel (FL-22), and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FL-24).

[The Other Castro]

Freedom fighters

Patrick Murphy (FL-18) introduced a bill to the House that would stop seismic wave testing for oil, being co-sponsored by Gwen Graham (FL-2), Corrine Brown (FL-5), Bill Posey (FL-8), Alcee Hastings (FL-20), Lois Frankel (FL-22), and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FL-24).

But Beet told me that Murphy was a far-right winger!

[publicunofficial]

Freedom fighters

Patrick Murphy (FL-18) introduced a bill to the House that would stop seismic wave testing for oil, being co-sponsored by Gwen Graham (FL-2), Corrine Brown (FL-5), Bill Posey (FL-8), Alcee Hastings (FL-20), Lois Frankel (FL-22), and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FL-24).

Meanwhile Alan Grayson has millions of dollars in offshore accounts. Who's the real progressive?

[Maxwell]

Freedom fighters

Patrick Murphy (FL-18) introduced a bill to the House that would stop seismic wave testing for oil, being co-sponsored by Gwen Graham (FL-2), Corrine Brown (FL-5), Bill Posey (FL-8), Alcee Hastings (FL-20), Lois Frankel (FL-22), and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FL-24).

Meanwhile Alan Grayson has millions of dollars in offshore accounts. Who's the real progressive?

Still Alan Grayson? It's like saying Hillary Clinton is more progressive than Bernie Sanders because of guns. I'm sure you were joking somewhat but still.

[Panda Express]

Freedom fighters

Patrick Murphy (FL-18) introduced a bill to the House that would stop seismic wave testing for oil,

What a leader! It's clear to all now that Murphy is a political behemoth. Stopping seismic wave testing oil is of vital importance.

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Wow, Murphy even got Gwen Graham, another political titan on board! Awesome

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Coleen Brown?? Murphy got her too?!

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and a Rethuglican?? This just shows how Murphy can appeal to the other side. This is why Patrick Muphy strikes fear in to the hearts of Florida politicians

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Murphy getting this guy on board shows that minorities adore him.

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Her too? This bill is unstoppable!

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WTF??? Who the hell asked her to be a cosponsor? Now this bill is ruined and guaranteed to fail. Everything Debbie Wasserman Schultz does is a complete disaster. I am actually questioning Murphy's judgment now. Very poor decision here. You don't make walking wastes of bones and organs cosponsors on your bill.

[Zioneer]

Grayson's latest rhetoric, this time about his estranged wife: "Golddiggers gotta dig."

[Flake]

Grayson's latest rhetoric, this time about his estranged wife: "Golddiggers gotta dig."

I heard that today. Lmao he is such a gaffe machine.

[Beet]

Grayson's latest rhetoric, this time about his estranged wife: "Golddiggers gotta dig."

I heard that today. Lmao he is such a gaffe machine.

Lol he's awesome! I just donated $25 to his campaign.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Grayson's latest rhetoric, this time about his estranged wife: "Golddiggers gotta dig."

I heard that today. Lmao he is such a gaffe machine.

Lol he's awesome! I just donated $25 to his campaign.

Congratulations on wasting $25.

I can't wait to laugh at the Murphyslide you Grayson supporters will have to endure on primary election day.

[RogueBeaver]

Messy details of Grayson's divorce.

[Vega]

Grayson seems like a pretty despicable person in person. His politics are the only decent thing about him.

[Türkisblau]

Grayson's latest rhetoric, this time about his estranged wife: "Golddiggers gotta dig."

I heard that today. Lmao he is such a gaffe machine.

Lol he's awesome! I just donated $25 to his campaign.

Aren't you like a feminist or something (assuming so because you like DWS)? That's a pretty sexist thing for the guy to say.

[Skill and Chance]

Grayson's latest rhetoric, this time about his estranged wife: "Golddiggers gotta dig."

I heard that today. Lmao he is such a gaffe machine.

Lol he's awesome! I just donated $25 to his campaign.

Congratulations on wasting $25.

I can't wait to laugh at the Murphyslide you Grayson supporters will have to endure on primary election day.

Grayson has proved himself a disgusting human being.

[Miles]

Dan Bongino, yeah the guy who almost won MD-06 last year, is considering running for FL-18.

Between the carpetbagging and being pretty far-right ideologically, I'd guess he'd be the Republican most likely to lose the general.

[Flake]

Dan Bongino, yeah the guy who almost won MD-06 last year, is considering running for FL-18.

Between the carpetbagging and being pretty far-right ideologically, I'd guess he'd be the Republican most likely to lose the general.

#ReadyForBongino

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Dan Bongino, yeah the guy who almost won MD-06 last year, is considering running for FL-18.

Between the carpetbagging and being pretty far-right ideologically, I'd guess he'd be the Republican most likely to lose the general.

What is with it with FL-18 and losing northern candidates?? First Schlesinger, now this?

[CountryClassSF]

Bongino did a great job last cycle in a gerrymandered district and nearly pulled off a win. He's a fantastic candidate anywhere he decides to run.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Bongino did a great job last cycle in a gerrymandered district and nearly pulled off a win. He's a fantastic candidate anywhere he decides to run.

Not if he's carpetbagging across the country.....

[CountryClassSF]

Bongino did a great job last cycle in a gerrymandered district and nearly pulled off a win. He's a fantastic candidate anywhere he decides to run.

Not if he's carpetbagging across the country.....

No, but what would FL-18 be if not for carpetbaggers =p

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Bongino did a great job last cycle in a gerrymandered district and nearly pulled off a win. He's a fantastic candidate anywhere he decides to run.

Not if he's carpetbagging across the country.....

No, but what would FL-18 be if not for carpetbaggers =p

Point was that a candidate who moves from one state to another state just to run for a house seat is not going to win any hypothetically competitive district.