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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2015, 03:41:11 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2015, 04:50:43 PM »

On a related note, something I've wondered a while: why is the monarchy in Australia seemingly much more divisive and debated than in Canada? I never see anybody, not even dippers or blocists seriously change Queenie's position as head of state, while in Australia practically every elected politician has to have an position in the monarch.
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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2015, 04:59:42 PM »

Its for the same reason that there are still people in the NSW ALP who want the state division of Londonderry renamed Derry.
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2015, 06:22:59 AM »

Fortunately Barbados has a great home-grown queen to replace Liz with.

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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2015, 07:39:05 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume NZ and the Aussies will become republican once Liz takes her last breathe
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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2015, 08:14:00 AM »

On a related note, something I've wondered a while: why is the monarchy in Australia seemingly much more divisive and debated than in Canada? I never see anybody, not even dippers or blocists seriously change Queenie's position as head of state, while in Australia practically every elected politician has to have an position in the monarch.

My impression is that people in Canada do not really know that they have a queen.
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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2015, 08:16:53 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume NZ and the Aussies will become republican once Liz takes her last breathe

I wouldn't bet on it. Support for a Republic is at a record low in Oz and - more importantly - young people are more monarchist than the middle aged.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/republican-cause-takes-heavy-knock-in-poll-20140201-31u1a.html
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2015, 08:58:27 AM »

young people are more monarchist than the middle aged.

This is one of the most depressing things I've heard in a while...
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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2015, 09:06:25 AM »

On a related note, something I've wondered a while: why is the monarchy in Australia seemingly much more divisive and debated than in Canada? I never see anybody, not even dippers or blocists seriously change Queenie's position as head of state, while in Australia practically every elected politician has to have an position in the monarch.

My impression is that people in Canada do not really know that they have a queen.

This is kinda true. I mean, she's on her money, so all Canadians are aware she is something to us, but are pretty ignorant of her role. We're too busy watching American TV to care.
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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2015, 10:48:24 AM »

A step in the right direction.  Next thing the people of Britain will liberate themselves from the tyrannical rule of the despotic Queen Elizabeth II.  Then the workers' revolution will spread to all English speaking countries.  In America it will start in the South.
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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2015, 11:02:55 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume NZ and the Aussies will become republican once Liz takes her last breathe

That would probably depend on how Charlie does as King. It's true (as has been pointed out already) that patterns of support for Republicanism in Australia are partially generational in character and that specifically the Republican cause is linked with the generations that were young in the 1960s and 1970s (SHAME FRASER SHAME etc), but that doesn't mean that a turnaround is impossible, particularly with a new and less PR friendly monarch. Fundamentally the issue is not an important one, which means that minor changes can theoretically cause large shifts.
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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2015, 11:04:39 AM »

...but are pretty ignorant of her role.

That would be because she doesn't really have one in Canada. Even her figurehead role is in practice delegated.
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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2015, 11:06:51 AM »

Anyway. One thing I've always found strange. Why is it that on the whole and in practice British people are better Republicans than the French, even though we've not had a Republic for centuries and they've not had a monarch since the 1870s?
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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2015, 11:14:30 AM »
« Edited: April 01, 2015, 11:18:17 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume NZ and the Aussies will become republican once Liz takes her last breathe

That would probably depend on how Charlie does as King. It's true (as has been pointed out already) that patterns of support for Republicanism in Australia are partially generational in character and that specifically the Republican cause is linked with the generations that were young in the 1960s and 1970s (SHAME FRASER SHAME etc), but that doesn't mean that a turnaround is impossible, particularly with a new and less PR friendly monarch. Fundamentally the issue is not an important one, which means that minor changes can theoretically cause large shifts.

The 65+ are the most monarchist in that 2014 poll and people being young in the 60s (= born 1935-1950) are bound to be a majority of those.
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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2015, 11:17:08 AM »

The 65+ are the most monarchist in that 2014 poll and people being young in the 60s (= born 1935-1950) are bound to be a majority of those.

Young in the late 60s then Tongue

(but I was mostly thinking of stereotypes anyway, so...)
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« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2015, 11:30:08 AM »

A step in the right direction.  Next thing the people of Britain will liberate themselves from the tyrannical rule of the despotic Queen Elizabeth II.  Then the workers' revolution will spread to all English speaking countries.  In America it will start in the South.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/31/queen-elizabeths-royal-retinue-ponders-revolt/ ?
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« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2015, 11:35:19 AM »

Anyway. One thing I've always found strange. Why is it that on the whole and in practice British people are better Republicans than the French, even though we've not had a Republic for centuries and they've not had a monarch since the 1870s?

What do you mean by better Republicans?
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« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2015, 12:23:09 PM »

Anyway. One thing I've always found strange. Why is it that on the whole and in practice British people are better Republicans than the French, even though we've not had a Republic for centuries and they've not had a monarch since the 1870s?

What do you mean by better Republicans?

Well, France has a head of state-and-government who lives in a palace, who doles out state honours, and who plays a role in state ceremonies of much pomp. Holders of the office frequently engage in vanity projects and personal memorialisation. Just saying.
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« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2015, 12:33:47 PM »

Perhaps it's an affection for big symbols of unified national identity. That Bonapartist urge, I guess.
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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2015, 01:23:58 PM »

Anyway. One thing I've always found strange. Why is it that on the whole and in practice British people are better Republicans than the French, even though we've not had a Republic for centuries and they've not had a monarch since the 1870s?

What do you mean by better Republicans?

Well, France has a head of state-and-government who lives in a palace, who doles out state honours, and who plays a role in state ceremonies of much pomp. Holders of the office frequently engage in vanity projects and personal memorialisation. Just saying.

Oh, right. You definitely have a point here.
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« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2015, 03:55:54 PM »

Wasn't Jamaica meant to do this back in 2012, then 'forgot' about it?
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« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2015, 04:39:35 PM »

Wasn't Jamaica meant to do this back in 2012, then 'forgot' about it?
Is there any concrete benefit in being a commonwealth realm? easier immigration into the UK?
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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2015, 04:53:26 PM »

Apparently in Jamaica PNP want an executive style presidency, while the (right-wing) Labour Party want a ceremonial one.
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