What does Ted Cruz really want?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 19, 2024, 11:40:31 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  What does Ted Cruz really want?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: What does Ted Cruz really want?  (Read 1158 times)
Xing
xingkerui
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,303
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.52, S: -3.91

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: March 24, 2015, 06:01:58 PM »

Surely he knows what his odds of actually becoming president are. He can't be that dim...
Logged
seanNJ9
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 508
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 07:36:31 PM »


Attention. Money. Things

He wants to be paid for speeches, get people to buy his books, get wined and dined by money men, be talked about.

Same as Newt and others.
Logged
Ebsy
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,001
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 07:39:30 PM »

A Fox News contributor gig pays pretty well these day.
Logged
Warren 4 Secretary of Everything
Clinton1996
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,207
United States


Political Matrix
E: -1.94, S: -4.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 08:22:52 PM »

He wants to win. Him winning the nomination is not too far out of the realm of possibility and I don't know why you guys are in such denial of that. Ted Cruz is smart, he talks the talk of conservatives and can speak to those that don't agree with him without sounding stupid or scary (if he wants to). He has the Tea Party constituency locked up and is aiming to take over the Religious Right too. If he gets those two combined then he can match the size of the Establishment. He can compete.
Logged
Likely Voter
Moderators
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,344


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 08:33:34 PM »

With his ego, I suspect he thinks he can win the nomination, although being pragmatic he probably would recognize that he may not get it on his first try.

Also, at bare minimum he wants to remain relevant. For the next year, you get a bigger voice if you are a candidate. Anything he does in the Senate now has more attention.

Logged
Ebsy
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,001
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 08:38:06 PM »

He wants to win. Him winning the nomination is not too far out of the realm of possibility and I don't know why you guys are in such denial of that. Ted Cruz is smart, he talks the talk of conservatives and can speak to those that don't agree with him without sounding stupid or scary (if he wants to). He has the Tea Party constituency locked up and is aiming to take over the Religious Right too. If he gets those two combined then he can match the size of the Establishment. He can compete.
He has neither of these constituencies locked up, unless both these groups combined makes up like 5% of the GOP primary electorate.
Logged
Mister Mets
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,440
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2015, 09:17:24 PM »

He probably wants to be President, but there are several good outcomes.

He's either pandering to the base, or a true believer. If he's the latter, he probably thinks he can win against Hillary. If he's pandering, he probably thinks he can shamelesslt shift to the center in the General.

He can lose a primary, and come out with a higher profile. That'll help him as a prominent Senator, and potential candidate for office later. And if he wants to make money later, it'll help to be a well-known former Senator.
Logged
136or142
Adam T
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,434
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 09:28:03 PM »

Although I have no evidence to back it up, I believe that Cruz only ran for the U.S Senate as a platform to run for President, and isn't interested in being a senator for the long haul.

So,
1.I believe he's running to win
2.If he doesn't win, I don't think he'll run for reelection to the U.S Senate, though I could see him running for governor of Texas as a consolation prize.
Logged
Stranger in a strange land
strangeland
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,168
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 09:31:47 PM »

He probably thinks he can win. Even if he doesn't, he can still force the other candidates to the right and raise his own profile even further.
Logged
Lincoln Republican
Winfield
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,348


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2015, 10:04:16 PM »

Although I have no evidence to back it up, I believe that Cruz only ran for the U.S Senate as a platform to run for President, and isn't interested in being a senator for the long haul.



Oh, you mean just like Hillary Clinton who only ran for the U.S. Senate from New York in 2000 as a platform to run for President, and wasn't interested in being a Senator for the long haul.
Logged
IceSpear
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,840
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -6.43

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2015, 10:11:54 PM »

Although I have no evidence to back it up, I believe that Cruz only ran for the U.S Senate as a platform to run for President, and isn't interested in being a senator for the long haul.



Oh, you mean just like Hillary Clinton who only ran for the U.S. Senate from New York in 2000 as a platform to run for President, and wasn't interested in being a Senator for the long haul.

At least Hillary was able to finish a term, and didn't spend her entire tenure in office grandstanding and attention whoring.
Logged
Lincoln Republican
Winfield
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,348


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PM »

Although I have no evidence to back it up, I believe that Cruz only ran for the U.S Senate as a platform to run for President, and isn't interested in being a senator for the long haul.



Oh, you mean just like Hillary Clinton who only ran for the U.S. Senate from New York in 2000 as a platform to run for President, and wasn't interested in being a Senator for the long haul.

At least Hillary was able to finish a term, and didn't spend her entire tenure in office grandstanding and attention whoring.

At least you don't deny that Hillary only ran for U.S. Senate in order to have a political base from which to run for the Democratic nomination for President.

And I am sure Cruz will finish this Senate term, unless of course he is elected President.  And if he is not elected President, he will run for re-election to the U.S. Senate in 2018.
Logged
Indy Texas
independentTX
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,272
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.52, S: -3.48

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2015, 10:52:28 PM »

I do find Cruz's placing so many chips on the Christian Right's square to be an odd tactical move.

He really has no bona fides to win them over. Sure, he's a Southern Baptist, but so is Bill Clinton. He's a Princeton-and-Harvard Man who, as far as I can tell, has never really worn religion on his sleeve during his time in public office. I recall there being an interview he did before running where he said abortion is "not an animating issue for [him]." Then, of course there is the fact that one of his major benefactors is Peter Thiel, a hedonistic anarcho-capitalist and Very Rich Gay who lives in San Francisco.

Maybe he realized that he's set fire to too many things to be anywhere near Establishment (and that's a crowded boat to be in anyway), but you can't be a Tea Party Outsider when you worked in the Bush Administration and your wife works for Goldman Sachs. Maybe cobbling together a Frankenstein out of the various Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer and Mike Huckabee coalitions was the most attractive remaining option.
Logged
136or142
Adam T
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,434
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 12:05:25 AM »

Although I have no evidence to back it up, I believe that Cruz only ran for the U.S Senate as a platform to run for President, and isn't interested in being a senator for the long haul.



Oh, you mean just like Hillary Clinton who only ran for the U.S. Senate from New York in 2000 as a platform to run for President, and wasn't interested in being a Senator for the long haul.

Where did I say that I thought he did anything wrong?  A lot of politicians first run for lesser offices as a platform to run for higher office, though not normally for the U.S Senate.

I agree he probably will finish out his term once his ego fueled presidential run comes to an ignoble end, but I don't believe he will run for reelection.  He's shown no interest in learning the details of legislation and is completely uninterested in the office except to be a bomb thrower.
Logged
hopper
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,414
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 01:09:40 PM »

I do find Cruz's placing so many chips on the Christian Right's square to be an odd tactical move.

He really has no bona fides to win them over. Sure, he's a Southern Baptist, but so is Bill Clinton. He's a Princeton-and-Harvard Man who, as far as I can tell, has never really worn religion on his sleeve during his time in public office. I recall there being an interview he did before running where he said abortion is "not an animating issue for [him]." Then, of course there is the fact that one of his major benefactors is Peter Thiel, a hedonistic anarcho-capitalist and Very Rich Gay who lives in San Francisco.

Maybe he realized that he's set fire to too many things to be anywhere near Establishment (and that's a crowded boat to be in anyway), but you can't be a Tea Party Outsider when you worked in the Bush Administration and your wife works for Goldman Sachs. Maybe cobbling together a Frankenstein out of the various Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer and Mike Huckabee coalitions was the most attractive remaining option.
Well Cruz was "The Tea Party Guy" in the 2012 Republican Primary for US Senate in Texas against David Dewhurst. I'm sure you know that though since you live in Texas!

Funny statement about cobbling coalitions together though!
Logged
All Along The Watchtower
Progressive Realist
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,483
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2015, 03:04:30 PM »

I do find Cruz's placing so many chips on the Christian Right's square to be an odd tactical move.

He really has no bona fides to win them over. Sure, he's a Southern Baptist, but so is Bill Clinton. He's a Princeton-and-Harvard Man who, as far as I can tell, has never really worn religion on his sleeve during his time in public office. I recall there being an interview he did before running where he said abortion is "not an animating issue for [him]." Then, of course there is the fact that one of his major benefactors is Peter Thiel, a hedonistic anarcho-capitalist and Very Rich Gay who lives in San Francisco.

Maybe he realized that he's set fire to too many things to be anywhere near Establishment (and that's a crowded boat to be in anyway), but you can't be a Tea Party Outsider when you worked in the Bush Administration and your wife works for Goldman Sachs. Maybe cobbling together a Frankenstein out of the various Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer and Mike Huckabee coalitions was the most attractive remaining option.

Considering that the Christian Right is more of a blatant political project than a sincere religious group (though I guess those aren't mutually exclusive), I don't really see the problem. And it's not like these guys aren't shameless hypocrites, either.
Logged
King
intermoderate
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,356
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2015, 03:45:20 PM »

To be President.

If he's disingenuous, it's as a career mole to destroy the Republican Party from the inside--not to make money or sell books.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.049 seconds with 13 queries.