Is Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to be President?
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« on: March 25, 2015, 07:59:51 PM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 08:12:11 PM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.

For each individual birther it will depend on which tendency dominates when it comes to their view of Ted Cruz: Racism and xenophobia or hyperpartisanship. I imagine Cruz seems white enough to most birthers.   It's not like birhters are the most logical people to begin with. I'm sure they'll come up with some convoluted nonsense explanation for why Cruz is a natural born citizen but Obama still isn't. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 09:59:04 PM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.

No he's born in Canada
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 12:08:11 AM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.

No he's born in Canada

So?
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2015, 12:36:51 AM »

if the American people elect him to be president*, then yes, he's eligible. you can't overturn a presidential inauguration.

*technically, the electoral college but you know what I mean
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2015, 01:10:17 AM »

Although he was born in Canada and has a brown-people last name, he's also white and a Republican.  Ultimately that's all that matters, so 'yes'.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 11:18:55 AM »

Yes, but of course the Birthers will invent some sort of contrivance by which Cruz is eligible but Obama isn't.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 05:38:09 PM »
« Edited: March 28, 2015, 09:12:33 AM by Lincoln Republican »

Not only is Cruz constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States, but he is as well intellectually qualified to be President of the United States.  After all, he is "off the charts brilliant," according to no less an authority than famed Harvard Professor Alan Derschowitz.

Add this to the fact that Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, and the fact that Cruz graduated magna cum laude with a Juris Doctor graduate law degree from Harvard.

Needless to say, Princeton and Harvard are two of the most prestigious and highly respected universities in the entire world.

In addition, Cruz is as well oratorically qualified to be President of the United States.  The fact that he is one of the most gifted orators and one of the best debaters in the recent history of the United States, most certainly would be a tremendous asset in this office.  

As well, Cruz has a very attractive family.  His wife would make an extremely smart and attractive First Lady, and the nation would absolutely fall in love with their two lovely children.

Add it all up, and it spells P R E S I D E N T!    
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 01:20:16 PM »

He's not a black dude with a funny name, so yes.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2015, 03:14:49 PM »

No, the President must be at least 35 years of age, and one can clearly tell that Ted Cruz is a child.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2015, 10:47:28 PM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2015, 03:07:49 AM »

Yes. It's John McCain who had the iffy claim.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2015, 07:11:07 AM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.

Source please.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2015, 10:27:52 AM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.

Source please.

8 USC 1401(g).  At the time Obama was born, for a child born abroad with one alien parent and one citizen parent to be a citizen, the citizen parent had to have resided 10 years in the US with at least 5 years after the age of 14. In 1986, the law was amended to make those limits 5 and 2 respectively, but even assuming that change would have granted him citizenship it wouldn't made him a natural-born citizen as he wouldn't have been a citizen from birth.  Since his mother was only 18 when Obama was born, it would have been impossible for her to meet the 5 year requirement had she given birth abroad.

So the birthers weren't entirely insane, only mostly insane because even after proof he'd be been born in Hawaii was submitted, they refused to believe it and continued to insist he'd been born in Kenya, which if true would have debarred Barack from the presidency.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2015, 02:37:56 PM »

Yes, though I really wish he wasn't just to see the teabaggers' heads explode.
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2015, 05:27:43 PM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.

Source please.

8 USC 1401(g).  At the time Obama was born, for a child born abroad with one alien parent and one citizen parent to be a citizen, the citizen parent had to have resided 10 years in the US with at least 5 years after the age of 14. In 1986, the law was amended to make those limits 5 and 2 respectively, but even assuming that change would have granted him citizenship it wouldn't made him a natural-born citizen as he wouldn't have been a citizen from birth.  Since his mother was only 18 when Obama was born, it would have been impossible for her to meet the 5 year requirement had she given birth abroad.

So the birthers weren't entirely insane, only mostly insane because even after proof he'd be been born in Hawaii was submitted, they refused to believe it and continued to insist he'd been born in Kenya, which if true would have debarred Barack from the presidency.

Of course the hardcore birthers don't care about any of that. They think that even if you're a citizen at birth under federal law, and even if you're born in the U.S. And thus a citizen at birth under the 14th Amendment, you're still not a "natural born citizen" as meant in Article II. Their reasons are of course too dumb to go into here.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2015, 10:58:56 PM »

Although he was born in Canada and has a brown-people last name, he's also white and a Republican.  Ultimately that's all that matters, so 'yes'.

But maybe he's a terror baby!
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2015, 06:35:48 AM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.

Source please.

8 USC 1401(g).  At the time Obama was born, for a child born abroad with one alien parent and one citizen parent to be a citizen, the citizen parent had to have resided 10 years in the US with at least 5 years after the age of 14. In 1986, the law was amended to make those limits 5 and 2 respectively, but even assuming that change would have granted him citizenship it wouldn't made him a natural-born citizen as he wouldn't have been a citizen from birth.  Since his mother was only 18 when Obama was born, it would have been impossible for her to meet the 5 year requirement had she given birth abroad.

So the birthers weren't entirely insane, only mostly insane because even after proof he'd be been born in Hawaii was submitted, they refused to believe it and continued to insist he'd been born in Kenya, which if true would have debarred Barack from the presidency.

Thanks for that.

What would have been the rationale behind that? Punishment to people having children too young? Like, what's the policy rationale?
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2015, 09:33:54 AM »

What would have been the rationale behind that? Punishment to people having children too young? Like, what's the policy rationale?
The rationale is to keep from having people who have a weak connection to the US from having citizenship.  Under 8 USC 1431, a child born abroad with one citizen parent who comes to the US in the custody of that parent before the child is 18 automatically gets citizenship at that point. Other than being debarred from the presidency, if Barack's lifestory had been the same as it had been except for being born in Kenya instead of Hawaii, there would have been no effect.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2015, 03:53:13 PM »

Yes
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2015, 12:56:05 AM »

8 USC 1401(g).  At the time Obama was born, for a child born abroad with one alien parent and one citizen parent to be a citizen, the citizen parent had to have resided 10 years in the US with at least 5 years after the age of 14. In 1986, the law was amended to make those limits 5 and 2 respectively, but even assuming that change would have granted him citizenship it wouldn't made him a natural-born citizen as he wouldn't have been a citizen from birth.  Since his mother was only 18 when Obama was born, it would have been impossible for her to meet the 5 year requirement had she given birth abroad.

Thanks for that.

What would have been the rationale behind that? Punishment to people having children too young? Like, what's the policy rationale?
Let's say that you are a foreign student studying in this country, when you give birth to a US Citizen (by the 14th Amendment).  Let's imagine that Barack Obama, Sr. had impregnated a student from Canada, instead of Ann Dunham.  Obama Sr. soon splits to go to Harvard and then moves back to Kenya.  The mother and Obama Jr. move to Montreal.  Obama Jr. moves to France and has a child.  The child doesn't speak a word of English, and thinks of himself as Canadian or French or perhaps Algerian or Malian depending on the mother.  Why should he be considered an American?

And if citizenship could be transmitted indefinitely through birth, the last actual contact with the USA was centuries ago.  Or consider the equivalent - why should I be able to claim British, Swedish, Irish, German, or French citizenship based on descent from persons who left those countries more than a century ago?

Now consider if the Canadian mother moves to Indonesia, but leaves her son with her Canadian parents who are living in Hawaii.  Obama, Jr. experience growing up among Americans.  Even if he later as an adult moves to France the child would at least have a connection with the US.

Note that one time, an American women who moves to a foreign country with her husband was considered to have voluntarily given up her US citizenship.  And at one time, citizenship was only transmitted through the father.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2015, 02:08:28 AM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.

Hence Obama is NOT QUALIFIED.
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2015, 04:16:58 AM »

While the answer is obviously yes, he isn't by the standards of many birthers, thus creating a bit of a conundrum.
No he's born in Canada
He was born in Canada to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural-born US citizen. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would also still be eligible for the same reason.
Not true.  The American-citizen parent must have lived in the United States for at least 5 years after the age of 14.  Obama's mother had not qualified to transmit citizenship to her children.

Hence Obama is NOT QUALIFIED.
Last time I checked, Hawaii is part of the United States. Even Trump finally admitted the truth.
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2015, 12:42:39 PM »

Yes, he is. So is Barack Obama, and so was John McCain.
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2015, 06:20:31 AM »

8 USC 1401(g).  At the time Obama was born, for a child born abroad with one alien parent and one citizen parent to be a citizen, the citizen parent had to have resided 10 years in the US with at least 5 years after the age of 14. In 1986, the law was amended to make those limits 5 and 2 respectively, but even assuming that change would have granted him citizenship it wouldn't made him a natural-born citizen as he wouldn't have been a citizen from birth.  Since his mother was only 18 when Obama was born, it would have been impossible for her to meet the 5 year requirement had she given birth abroad.

Thanks for that.

What would have been the rationale behind that? Punishment to people having children too young? Like, what's the policy rationale?
Let's say that you are a foreign student studying in this country, when you give birth to a US Citizen (by the 14th Amendment).  Let's imagine that Barack Obama, Sr. had impregnated a student from Canada, instead of Ann Dunham.  Obama Sr. soon splits to go to Harvard and then moves back to Kenya.  The mother and Obama Jr. move to Montreal.  Obama Jr. moves to France and has a child.  The child doesn't speak a word of English, and thinks of himself as Canadian or French or perhaps Algerian or Malian depending on the mother.  Why should he be considered an American?

And if citizenship could be transmitted indefinitely through birth, the last actual contact with the USA was centuries ago.  Or consider the equivalent - why should I be able to claim British, Swedish, Irish, German, or French citizenship based on descent from persons who left those countries more than a century ago?

Now consider if the Canadian mother moves to Indonesia, but leaves her son with her Canadian parents who are living in Hawaii.  Obama, Jr. experience growing up among Americans.  Even if he later as an adult moves to France the child would at least have a connection with the US.

Note that one time, an American women who moves to a foreign country with her husband was considered to have voluntarily given up her US citizenship.  And at one time, citizenship was only transmitted through the father.


That doesn't answer the question, really. Why would it be that, for instance, a pregnant 16 year old US citizen who gives birth prematurely abroad (on a vacation, let's say) would not transmit citizenship to her child? What's the rationale for that?
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