Is abortion and equal rights issue?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Yes, in the sense that women deserve the same reproductive autonomy that men have.  As far as rights of the embryo/fetus goes?  That has mostly (if not everything) to do with the wishes of the mother.  If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it than no, I don't think it has rights, nor is it a person. 

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Yes, in the sense that women deserve the same reproductive autonomy that men have.  As far as rights of the embryo/fetus goes?  That has mostly (if not everything) to do with the wishes of the mother.  If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it than no, I don't think it has rights, nor is it a person.  

What a wonderfully subjective little world view!

His position is subjective but has objectively beneficial social effects on living human beings. Your positions is subjective but has objectively negative social effects on living human beings.

[DC Al Fine]

Yes, in the sense that women deserve the same reproductive autonomy that men have.  As far as rights of the embryo/fetus goes?  That has mostly (if not everything) to do with the wishes of the mother.  If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it than no, I don't think it has rights, nor is it a person.  

What a wonderfully subjective little world view!

His position is subjective but has objectively beneficial social effects on living human beings. Your positions is subjective but has objectively negative social effects on living human beings.

All this talk of living human beings and yet you ignore the fact that abortion kills what is genetically human. The anti-science left strikes again.

[bedstuy]

Yes, in the sense that women deserve the same reproductive autonomy that men have.  As far as rights of the embryo/fetus goes?  That has mostly (if not everything) to do with the wishes of the mother.  If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it than no, I don't think it has rights, nor is it a person.  

What a wonderfully subjective little world view!

His position is subjective but has objectively beneficial social effects on living human beings. Your positions is subjective but has objectively negative social effects on living human beings.

All this talk of living human beings and yet you ignore the fact that abortion kills what is genetically human. The anti-science left strikes again.

Cancer cells are genetically human.  Is it murder to have surgery to remove cancer?

Fundamentally, the question is what is an individual person, not what is human and alive.  For pro-choice people, a fetus is not an individual person yet.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Yes, in the sense that women deserve the same reproductive autonomy that men have.  As far as rights of the embryo/fetus goes?  That has mostly (if not everything) to do with the wishes of the mother.  If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it than no, I don't think it has rights, nor is it a person.  

What a wonderfully subjective little world view!

His position is subjective but has objectively beneficial social effects on living human beings. Your positions is subjective but has objectively negative social effects on living human beings.

All this talk of living human beings and yet you ignore the fact that abortion kills what is genetically human. The anti-science left strikes again.

My definitions of a biological human and what is a person are different.  Nice try tho, Al ; )

[Gekkonidae]

The left and their false equivalence lol
uwu

[nclib]

Certainly, women's rights are an important part of the discussion, even if we factor in whether or not the fetus has the right to live. Even if the fetus has the right to live, that does not necessarily mean that it has the right to live off the mother's body. If someone needed an organ donation to live and their mother was the only person who could donate, and she said no, it would be very frowned upon but would not be considered murder.

The question came up on this thread. I thought it was relatively uncontroversial that abortion is an equal rights issue. After all, that is the main motive for why feminists are the the most staunchly pro-abortion rights constituency in the country, and have been since the inception of the contemporary abortion rights debate.

Certainly there are people who say they support equal rights and yet do not support reproductive rights. Of course, a part of this is pro forma: very few people will seriously, outright admit to not supporting equal rights for women. Yet it is true that there are people who genuinely support equal rights for women who oppose abortion rights. But it has always been the contention of an overwhelming majority of United States women's rights activists that the right to an abortion is a core woman's right, and not only from a libertarian property-rights perspective, but also from a feminist and equal rights perspective.

Even though there are some people who believe in equal rights on everything except abortion, these are correlated. The firmest opponents of abortion are far more likely to be against women's equal rights across the board.

[nclib]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/16/1384771/-Link-found-between-anti-abortion-attitudes-and-sexism

[DC Al Fine]

Certainly, women's rights are an important part of the discussion, even if we factor in whether or not the fetus has the right to live. Even if the fetus has the right to live, that does not necessarily mean that it has the right to live off the mother's body. If someone needed an organ donation to live and their mother was the only person who could donate, and she said no, it would be very frowned upon but would not be considered murder.

Ah, but this is Rothbard's flawed argument about the fetus living "unbidden" in the womb. Unless the child is the product of rape, the mother in question took a risk of conceiving a child by having sex. This line of reasoning is not like organ donation. It's like killing the buddy you let crash on your couch