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« on: March 27, 2015, 02:13:07 AM »

Also, uh... what about students who don't have cars?  Or, god forbid, don't have driver's licenses?  Where do they fit into this sh*t sandwich?

Sounds like this wouldn't apply to them. It's saying if you have a car, it should be registered in OH if you are registered to vote in OH. 

The car-vote registration connection seems pretty arbitrary to me. If you live somewhere the greater part of the year, you are involved in that community. It makes more sense for you to vote there than somewhere you don't spend as much time in and so don't have as much of a clue what's going on. If you have your car registered in another state with your parents or whatever because it's easier, what's the big deal? 

     College students are sojourners who will mostly leave when it's done. They have no vested interest in enacting good policy or in seeing the city succeed. They have no skin in the race. Unless they are willing to take the extra steps of registering their other particulars in the area, their claim to interest in the area is tenuous.
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 08:04:56 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2015, 08:07:21 PM by Speaker PiT »

Also, uh... what about students who don't have cars?  Or, god forbid, don't have driver's licenses?  Where do they fit into this sh*t sandwich?

Sounds like this wouldn't apply to them. It's saying if you have a car, it should be registered in OH if you are registered to vote in OH. 

The car-vote registration connection seems pretty arbitrary to me. If you live somewhere the greater part of the year, you are involved in that community. It makes more sense for you to vote there than somewhere you don't spend as much time in and so don't have as much of a clue what's going on. If you have your car registered in another state with your parents or whatever because it's easier, what's the big deal? 

     College students are sojourners who will mostly leave when it's done. They have no vested interest in enacting good policy or in seeing the city succeed. They have no skin in the race. Unless they are willing to take the extra steps of registering their other particulars in the area, their claim to interest in the area is tenuous.

Except, that's not how voting works.  There is no reality show, "So, you think you can vote?" where you need to prove that you deserve the right to vote.  Your state or county has no ability to tell if you "really" love them enough to vote with purpose.  Therefore, it's a complete red herring.

You do not need to intend to live somewhere for the rest of your life to vote there.  That's not a requirement to vote for anyone, although Republicans have decided it is for students.  This is clearly a cynical political move to disenfranchise people because Republicans don't like how they vote.  It is nothing else. 

Let's just think about this logically.  Being a full-time student in Ohio is more than enough to claim domicile in Ohio.  That meets all the requirements, so dragging in vehicle registration or driver's licenses is just putting a special burden on one group for political purposes.

     Of course, people get to vote as a matter of right. My issue is that college students don't face the consequences of their actions. When the time comes to pay the piper, they're long gone. While San Francisco passed Sit-Lie, Berkeley was not so fortunate. The student body at the university had no small part in that happening. Now the long-time residents of the city are stuck with the input of these sojourners.

     Not being a liberal, I don't suppose that the government should enforce my opinions. I do suppose that we should work to encourage college students to not interfere with other people's cities. That would require a level of maturity and sensibility beyond many of them, though.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2015, 03:25:47 AM »

     Of course, people get to vote as a matter of right. My issue is that college students don't face the consequences of their actions. When the time comes to pay the piper, they're long gone. While San Francisco passed Sit-Lie, Berkeley was not so fortunate. The student body at the university had no small part in that happening. Now the long-time residents of the city are stuck with the input of these sojourners.
     Not being a liberal, I don't suppose that the government should enforce my opinions. I do suppose that we should work to encourage college students to not interfere with other people's cities. That would require a level of maturity and sensibility beyond many of them, though.
So by pouring millions if not billions of dollars into the city's economy they are interfering? Sometimes the sh**t people say on this forum is unbelievable.

     Considering the political damage that they casually visit without caring to own, "interfere" is a kind word to use for them. What about the money they take out of the city by damaging property values and negatively impacting the quality of their neighborhoods?
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 04:52:28 AM »
« Edited: March 31, 2015, 04:54:48 AM by Speaker PiT »

     Of course, people get to vote as a matter of right. My issue is that college students don't face the consequences of their actions. When the time comes to pay the piper, they're long gone. While San Francisco passed Sit-Lie, Berkeley was not so fortunate. The student body at the university had no small part in that happening. Now the long-time residents of the city are stuck with the input of these sojourners.
     Not being a liberal, I don't suppose that the government should enforce my opinions. I do suppose that we should work to encourage college students to not interfere with other people's cities. That would require a level of maturity and sensibility beyond many of them, though.
So by pouring millions if not billions of dollars into the city's economy they are interfering? Sometimes the sh**t people say on this forum is unbelievable.

     Considering the political damage that they casually visit without caring to own, "interfere" is a kind word to use for them. What about the money they take out of the city by damaging property values and negatively impacting the quality of their neighborhoods?

Universities need students and I'm pretty sure closing the university would make property values crash, especially in cities built around universities, like Athens, OH or State College, PA.

     It depends. It certainly holds for retail property since the university is an economic engine. Not so much for commerical or residential property. Unless it's a fairly remote town, the land would hold significant value independent of the existence of the university.

     At any rate, I'm not saying that universities should be shut down either (I would hope to see college attendance scaled back, but that is for altogether unrelated reasons). My claim is rather that it would be preferable for college students to vote where they hold permanent residence.
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