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« on: March 29, 2015, 04:02:52 PM »

I noticed that most of the people who support environmental protection, support gay marriage, legalization of abortion and legalization of marijuana too. And most of the people who support gay marriage, legalization of abortion and legalization of marijuana, support environmental protection too. Why is this correlation so strong?

Are there important example of politicians/activists who support the social liberal agenda but not the green agenda? And policitians/activists who support the green agenda but not the social liberal agenda?
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2015, 04:04:51 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChristianUnion
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2015, 04:07:02 PM »
« Edited: March 29, 2015, 04:10:01 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

They are generally quite marginal, but this is an example from Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_Democratic_Party

Scandinavian Christian Democrats outside of Sweden would be in this group as well.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2015, 04:11:41 PM »

While some of the Anglosphere "ConGreens" mentioned here are not really green, there are those:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_conservatism
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2015, 04:12:51 PM »

The 2002 green party candidate for Montana Senator was pro-life
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2015, 04:16:07 PM »

Marina Silva in Brazil would be an example. Latin America generally is a good place to look for ConGreens.

Whereas the Eastern European ones are generally GINOs.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2015, 04:18:16 PM »

Rather famously the Nazis adopted a lot of proto-green positions.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 04:23:12 PM »

Rather famously the Nazis adopted a lot of proto-green positions.

Sure, but marijuana was legal in the Third Reich, so do they really qualify?
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2015, 05:30:17 PM »

In response to the OP's question: I dunno, maybe it has to do with the demographic patterns of who supports those issues...
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2015, 05:43:45 PM »

Rather famously the Nazis adopted a lot of proto-green positions.

Sure, but marijuana was legal in the Third Reich, so do they really qualify?
Marijuana was legal in most places until the mid 1900s...

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2015, 05:51:49 PM »

The Mexican Greens are pro-death penalty and anti-gay. Of course the Mexican Greens are also a corrupt family-owned PRI allied criminal organisation so that's hardly saying anything.

Some conservative greens pop up occasionally - the Mountain Party of Portugal for example very very briefly had a burst of popularity last year. It's not hard to see an argument for conservationism from a small c conservative perspective.

Social liberals that don't support the Green agenda would be quite hard to find IMO. Pretty much everybody who attempts to grab the secular urban vote nowadays at least pays lip service to climate change, renewable energy and animal rights.
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2015, 06:54:48 PM »

The Mexican Greens are pro-death penalty and anti-gay. Of course the Mexican Greens are also a corrupt family-owned PRI allied criminal organisation so that's hardly saying anything.

Some conservative greens pop up occasionally - the Mountain Party of Portugal for example very very briefly had a burst of popularity last year. It's not hard to see an argument for conservationism from a small c conservative perspective.

Social liberals that don't support the Green agenda would be quite hard to find IMO. Pretty much everybody who attempts to grab the secular urban vote nowadays at least pays lip service to climate change, renewable energy and animal rights.

Well, depends what you define as the "Green agenda".  Certain aspects of that agenda as it's practiced with a capital G in Europe– opposition to nuke power and decentralization chief among them– are, if I'm not mistaken, opposed by some parties which are social-liberal in orientation. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2015, 10:05:48 PM »

Diapers are destroying the planet and therefore "greenies" don't have babies and so they tend to be less conservative like other childless people.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2015, 04:14:50 AM »

Well, depends what you define as the "Green agenda".  Certain aspects of that agenda as it's practiced with a capital G in Europe– opposition to nuke power and decentralization chief among them– are, if I'm not mistaken, opposed by some parties which are social-liberal in orientation. 

That's true in the case of certain self-proclaimed social-liberal parties in Spain such as UPyD and Ciudadanos, to some extent. In the case of C's, I'd argue that their stances on immigration or abortion are no exactly what you'd call "social-liberal". UPyD advocates for re-devolution of education, healthcare and environment competences to the central government, but doesn't oppose formally to decentralisation. The UPyD platform supports a decentralised "cooperative federalism" similar to the German model and rejects strongly "privileges" for particular regions. C's seem to be less inflexible than UPyD in what regards decentralisation. Both UPyD and C's advocate for nuclear power, or at least to "open a transparent and realistic debate" on the topic. On the other hand, one could say that PSOE and other EU socialdemocratic parties have a strong social-liberal leaning. PSOE supports decentralisation -albeit opposes independence referendum in Catalonia- and implemented nuclear moratorium.   
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2015, 08:48:26 AM »

The 2002 green party candidate for Montana Senator was pro-life

Though he is sort of a fluke here, hopping between at least three parties with wildly different platforms over the last decade or so. xD
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