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Oakvale
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« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2015, 09:19:04 AM »
Guys, Atlasia is never going to have a female President. In any event there's significant precedent for "he/him" being interpreted in a gender-neutral manner barring an obvious "the president must be a man" clause.
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« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2015, 10:56:24 AM »
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Guys, Atlasia is never going to have a female President. In any event there's significant precedent for "he/him" being interpreted in a gender-neutral manner barring an obvious "the president must be a man" clause.

You never know
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Cranberry
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« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
Quote from: Senator Blair on April 10, 2015, 10:56:24 AM
Quote from: oakvale on April 10, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
Guys, Atlasia is never going to have a female President. In any event there's significant precedent for "he/him" being interpreted in a gender-neutral manner barring an obvious "the president must be a man" clause.

You never know

We can be pretty sure though Tongue
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2015, 02:50:44 PM »
I'd like to present this amendment:

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I think that themselves is good. There was a debate about it in the first page of this thread.
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« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2015, 05:11:23 PM »
I vote Yes
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« Reply #80 on: April 10, 2015, 06:09:31 PM »
Abstain
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« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2015, 07:09:27 PM »
AYE
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« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2015, 02:17:52 AM »
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« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2015, 02:21:29 AM »
Aye
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« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2015, 09:40:33 AM »
Yes.

Nicely done.

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Presidents shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons to any individual other than themselves Tongue
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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2015, 10:00:02 AM »
Yeah, it may be the case that the him/he thing wasn't legally necessary, but it sends a good message and this is a case where safe is better than sorry.

I think after this amendment passes we should be done her.
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« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2015, 10:16:58 AM »
Why are we voting on this most recent amendment? Unless I'm missing something (possible), the sponsor never said it was unfriendly.
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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2015, 11:00:18 AM »
Oh, yeah. Oops.

I saw Lief voting so I just absent-mindedly voted myself. Sorry.
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« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2015, 11:10:57 AM »
May I recommend amending this amendment so that title reflects the change to be made in some fashion. Considering all the problems that vague amendments have caused sending one out titled "Constitutional Amendment" would irritate a lot of people.
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« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2015, 11:14:20 AM »
Yes, you do have a point. I'd guess something of the likes of "Presidential Pardon Amendment" would do?
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« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2015, 11:41:52 AM »
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Yes, you do have a point. I'd guess something of the likes of "Presidential Pardon Amendment" would do?
I'm ok with it.
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« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2015, 11:20:57 AM »
Yankee makes a good point here. There was a lot of ambiguity over what exactly the last amendment to pass here was about on AFE, probably because of the title, so we should try and avoid this for this one.
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« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2015, 11:53:50 AM »
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Proposing this amendment to add a title.
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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2015, 06:31:35 AM »
« Edited: April 13, 2015, 06:35:53 AM by Senator TNF »
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« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2015, 07:19:14 AM »
Senators have 36 hours to object to:
-Talleyrand's amendment
-TNF's amendment.
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« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2015, 08:26:35 AM »
Would 'him or herself' be the correct language? But otherwise, I'm comfortable with both amendments
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« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2015, 08:57:35 AM »
Both seems fine to me
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Senator Cris
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« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2015, 09:03:34 AM »
I'm ok with both amendments.
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« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2015, 05:50:42 PM »
Yeah both look good.

As to this wording, I recommend this personally:
Presidents may not pardon themselves or their own office.
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« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2015, 06:01:06 PM »
TNF and Talleyrand's amendments have been adopted.
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