Opinion of American posters who post in British English
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 18, 2024, 02:33:58 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Forum Community
  Forum Community (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, YE, KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸)
  Opinion of American posters who post in British English
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3
Poll
Question: Love it or leave it, Tory scum
#1
Freedom Fighters
 
#2
Horrible People
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 62

Author Topic: Opinion of American posters who post in British English  (Read 3508 times)
Cassius
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,595


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2015, 05:29:27 PM »

If by 'British English', one means being able to spell things correctly, then certainly FF.
Logged
Mr. Smith
MormDem
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 33,173
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2015, 05:48:48 PM »

None, it's a bloody waste 'o me own time to get petty over the wee difference between "skeptic" and "sceptic".

I don't use it much personally (beyond creative writing assignments and being facetious) and I find it bizarre and unseemly to overuse it...but it's hardly something to get worked up about.

Imagine if all the Minnesotans, Iowans, and Californians [the states responsible for the "smart" American accent as non-Americans know it] decided to sick it on you Euro posters for embarrassingly wrong of American slang.







Logged
Gustaf
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,775


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2015, 06:57:41 PM »

Not something I thought much about, but I get why it would seem affected. Swedish schools generally teach British English but pop culture is of course dominated by American English so I've personally ended up a bit confused.
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,764
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2015, 07:14:14 PM »

None, it's a bloody waste 'o me own time to get petty over the wee difference between "skeptic" and "sceptic".

I don't use it much personally (beyond creative writing assignments and being facetious) and I find it bizarre and unseemly to overuse it...but it's hardly something to get worked up about.

Imagine if all the Minnesotans, Iowans, and Californians [the states responsible for the "smart" American accent as non-Americans know it] decided to sick it on you Euro posters for embarrassingly wrong of American slang.

I don't know what this means. I relentlessly mock the upper Midwestern accent on a weekly basis - it does not come across as intelligent. See: Sarah Palin.
Logged
Joe Republic
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 40,073
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2015, 07:20:14 PM »

Logged
Sol
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,125
Bosnia and Herzegovina


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2015, 08:56:58 PM »

General American is actually native to Iowa.
Logged
politicus
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,173
Denmark


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2015, 09:04:41 PM »

Imagine if all the Minnesotans, Iowans, and Californians [the states responsible for the "smart" American accent as non-Americans know it] decided to sick it on you Euro posters for embarrassingly wrong of American slang.

Southern accents are the only smart ones. Wink
Logged
retromike22
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,452
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2015, 09:05:08 PM »

I always have to make an effort to not spell defense "defence."
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,068
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2015, 09:14:16 PM »

General American is actually native to Iowa.

Really? Tell me more, I'm interested.
Logged
Sol
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,125
Bosnia and Herzegovina


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2015, 10:05:49 PM »

General American is actually native to Iowa.

Really? Tell me more, I'm interested.

Here's the range of it traditionally:


It's a bit of a mystery to me why it became the standard--it's a fairly conservative dialect though, and so presumably it can straddle that line between other dialects.

Of course, now large swaths of its traditional range have gotten swallowed up by the Northern Cities Vowel Shift, which, according to Wikipedia, has this distribution:

And it's gaining ground every day. English vowels tend to be ridiculously unstable from dialect to dialect, and several North American English dialects are undergoing vowel shifts of some type.
Logged
Panda Express
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,578


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2015, 10:21:38 PM »

If by 'British English', one means being able to spell things correctly, then certainly FF.

The moment England lost the American War of Independence is the moment British English ceased to be the "correct" English.
Logged
Murica!
whyshouldigiveyoumyname?
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,295
Angola


Political Matrix
E: -6.13, S: -10.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2015, 10:38:49 PM »

As someone who does this, FFs.
Logged
Associate Justice PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,158
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2015, 10:49:51 PM »

     I don't use it, though considering that I vociferously maintain the superiority of Castellano to all other forms of Spanish, it would be rather hypocritical of me to aggressively campaign against the use of British English.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,068
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2015, 06:42:30 AM »


Why the hell is your display name Murica, then?
Logged
Murica!
whyshouldigiveyoumyname?
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,295
Angola


Political Matrix
E: -6.13, S: -10.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2015, 09:03:42 AM »


Why the hell is your display name Murica, then?
Your serious?
Logged
Oakvale
oakvale
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,827
Ukraine
Political Matrix
E: -0.77, S: -4.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2015, 09:07:07 AM »


I'm pretty sure he could care less.
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,669
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2015, 09:10:24 AM »

It's an amusing affectation. Partly because they often aren't all that well aware of the rules and structure of English prose...
Logged
Brewer
BrewerPaul
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,622


Political Matrix
E: -6.90, S: -6.17

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2015, 09:27:08 AM »

None, it's a bloody waste 'o me own time to get petty over the wee difference between "skeptic" and "sceptic".

I don't use it much personally (beyond creative writing assignments and being facetious) and I find it bizarre and unseemly to overuse it...but it's hardly something to get worked up about.

Imagine if all the Minnesotans, Iowans, and Californians [the states responsible for the "smart" American accent as non-Americans know it] decided to sick it on you Euro posters for embarrassingly wrong of American slang.

I don't know what this means. I relentlessly mock the upper Midwestern accent on a weekly basis - it does not come across as intelligent. See: Sarah Palin.

Haha, yeah, the typical Midwestern accent is hardly something I would describe as "smart".
Logged
Mr. Smith
MormDem
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 33,173
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2015, 09:35:01 AM »

None, it's a bloody waste 'o me own time to get petty over the wee difference between "skeptic" and "sceptic".

I don't use it much personally (beyond creative writing assignments and being facetious) and I find it bizarre and unseemly to overuse it...but it's hardly something to get worked up about.

Imagine if all the Minnesotans, Iowans, and Californians [the states responsible for the "smart" American accent as non-Americans know it] decided to sick it on you Euro posters for embarrassingly wrong of American slang.

I don't know what this means. I relentlessly mock the upper Midwestern accent on a weekly basis - it does not come across as intelligent. See: Sarah Palin.

Haha, yeah, the typical Midwestern accent is hardly something I would describe as "smart".

I was aiming for the Newscaster accent (which at least Iowans appear to have), and smart here means "not a George W. Bush style drawl which pegs you as stupid off the bat"/ sounds somewhat believable and objective because of the flatness, not necessarily intelligent....should've cleared that up.

@Sibboleth: Exactly why I don't use it often, and exactly why it's better to laugh at it than silly polls like this.
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,731
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2015, 10:53:27 AM »

I fail to see why Antonio would be expected to write in anything but American English, seeing as that he has no native dialect of English and that he has lived in America in the past and will again in the future. Obviously I have no problem with foreigners using whatever version of English they feel most comfortable with.

Obviously for Americans to type in non-American English is a hideous affectation. I have made my feelings on this very clear in the past. If Americans hate their own native culture so much that they are unwilling to use its language, they are free to find some other place to live.
Logged
politicus
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,173
Denmark


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2015, 12:48:50 PM »
« Edited: March 31, 2015, 01:25:01 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

I fail to see why Antonio would be expected to write in anything but American English, seeing as that he has no native dialect of English and that he has lived in America in the past and will again in the future. Obviously I have no problem with foreigners using whatever version of English they feel most comfortable with.

Obviously for Americans to type in non-American English is a hideous affectation. I have made my feelings on this very clear in the past. If Americans hate their own native culture so much that they are unwilling to use its language, they are free to find some other place to live.

It is not that I don't think Antonio should be allowed to write whichever way he likes, but it is a bit ironic that he as a European dislikes Americans writing in British English and use American English himself.

In Europe - and in the majority of the world outside of the Americas - the English version of English is English. It is the norm among educated people and using American English signals you mainly have your knowledge of English from US pop culture. So even if Antonio has lived in America it is a bit weird for me that an intellectual French guy writes in American English (I associate European academics using American English with faux solidarity with the working class. It is the kind of thing rich Trots do).

Your intolerant view of Americans that use British English ("love it or leave it") is a bit funny since your parents immigrated from a country that uses British English. It comes off as a bit over the top.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,068
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2015, 01:05:13 PM »

I'm very flattered that you consider me an intellectual, but, as a matter of fact, I did learn to properly speak English through American sources (not really pop culture though, but mostly a combination of this forum, NYT articles and Wikipedia). Had I relied on the French education system, I would be speaking horrendous British English rather than mostly-correct American English.

Besides, as Xahar noted, I have a direct connection with the United States and none with Britain. And I admire the former as a country much more than the latter.
Logged
TDAS04
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 23,522
Bhutan


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2015, 01:28:51 PM »

Indifferent. 
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,731
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2015, 02:09:37 PM »

British English is British, not European. I certainly recognize that the pedagogical norm in Europe is to use British English, but that does not make it native to the continent. Antonio's experience with English-speaking societies tends unusually to the American for a European, and furthermore he is posting on an American forum. As I have said, it makes no difference to me what language a non-native speaker chooses if they are not part of an anglophone society.

As for my parents, obviously they received their secondary and tertiary education (through their Bachelor's degree) in Indian English using non-American spelling. Since they both have technical jobs, they rarely write in English, but when they do, it is American English because they have chosen to live and work in America.
Logged
politicus
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,173
Denmark


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2015, 03:01:42 PM »

British English is British, not European. I certainly recognize that the pedagogical norm in Europe is to use British English, but that does not make it native to the continent.

Being British makes it European per defintion.

The status in Europe is that British English is the language of school and American English the language of entertainment  (and IT). Choosig to express yourself in American English has a certain signal value, whereas British English is the neutral option in most contexts.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.058 seconds with 15 queries.