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Question: Who does a white male worker have more in common with?
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His black female coworker
 
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Their white male boss
 
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« on: March 30, 2015, 06:28:23 PM »

Option 1
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 06:34:44 PM »

Depends on what the coworker and boss are like.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 06:39:13 PM »

His black female coworker by definition. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 07:13:45 PM »

he can get a promotion but he can't change race. obviously option 2.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 07:14:54 PM »

he can get a promotion but he can't change race. obviously option 2.
Not everything is defined by race.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 07:20:41 PM »

Depends on what the coworker and boss are like.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 07:53:25 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2015, 08:51:38 PM »

Option one, from my point of view, because although all three people are workers two of them hold ranks of social status set below that of the third whilst they are in the arena of their workplace.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 09:08:54 PM »

...junk poll
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2015, 09:12:48 PM »

He's certainly far more likely to share the latter's political views than the former's.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2015, 09:14:59 PM »

Option 2 (not an idiot)
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2015, 09:21:16 PM »

He's certainly far more likely to share the latter's political views than the former's.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2015, 09:23:36 PM »

Well considering a black female coworker of mine also happens to be one of my best friends at work, and my white male boss is (whom tbf I get along with) a cop on the side, and a staunch conservative politically, I'll go with option 1.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2015, 09:31:55 PM »

Likely the latter, just based on gender.

It depends heavily on the job, their company structure, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2015, 09:55:39 PM »

I mean, what commonalities are we looking at here? He's not very likely to have the same social outlook, or be of a similar background, or have similar views to his black female coworker, but in terms of how they actually stand in the world economically and possibly socially, they could be similar. Voted option 2 because I'm taking this from a "sharing similar views/outlooks" area.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2015, 09:56:33 PM »

FTR the vagueness here was delibrate.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2015, 10:00:55 PM »

His fellow wage slave, of course.

The working class and the employing class have nothing in common.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2015, 10:07:23 PM »

Depends on the people and the metrics being used.

He is more like his boss than his co-worker in the number of periods he has a month, for instance Smiley.
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 06:45:30 AM »

he can get a promotion but he can't change race. obviously option 2.
Not everything is defined by race.
it certainly defines more of someone's identity than some ephemeral economic position.
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 07:29:26 AM »

he can get a promotion but he can't change race. obviously option 2.
Not everything is defined by race.
it certainly defines more of someone's identity than some ephemeral economic position.

Not really, as the workers are definitely more likely to have the same sort of life experiences (with some obvious exceptions, such as the white worker being less likely to be stopped by police for being in the 'wrong neighborhood' or being shot to death during a routine traffic stop) than are two people of the same race but a different class position. A white employer is never going to experience the kind of economic privation that either worker in question is. He or she is never going to have to worry about putting food on the table, putting a child through school, or not having health insurance. Discounting all of that, and instead arguing that the white worker and the white boss have more in common with one another than the white worker and the black worker is discounting the possibility of the latter two to come together and effectively mitigate their exploitation by the boss.

Historical experience shows us that workers of different racial and ethnic backgrounds can come together and do come together precisely because of their shared experience as workers. The CIO was built on that very basis and probably did more to advance the black struggle for freedom in this country than any other institution. And, in the early part of the 1970s, working class communities were again coming together, regardless of the color line, to challenge the bosses. They lost, and as a result we got neoliberalism and the politics of identity and difference. Race is not something that exists between classes, it's something that exists within classes. The white worker and the black worker live in segregated communities and have different lived experiences precisely because the bosses (of all races and of all genders; women CEOs and black CEOs are just as much class enemies as white CEOs) because the bosses have a vital interest in keeping them apart - because the last time they came together, they caused enough of a ruckus to precipitate four decades of neoliberal assault.
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2015, 08:04:52 AM »

correct me if i'm wrong, but we're talking about the person's direct "superior" here, not about, say, a janitor vs a multinational ceo.

Historical experience shows us that workers of different racial and ethnic backgrounds can come together and do come together precisely because of their shared experience as workers.

historical experience also shows us that whites and men of all economic strata can come together, and do come together literally all the time, to trample on minorities and women. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 09:17:17 AM »

This is a silly, silly, silly thread and an example of why both internet SJWs and internet armchair revolutionaries are both absurd and need to GO OUTSIDE and get some FRESH AIR.
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 09:55:53 AM »

Well, one would hope the white male worker thinks the answer is #1, but at least in the United States, more often than not the case has been #2. And that sort of explains the history of the American Left right there.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 11:09:14 AM »

he can get a promotion but he can't change race. obviously option 2.

Tbf you can't exactly change class any more than you can change race, no matter how many promotions you get. You're always a product of your origin.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 11:47:43 AM »

The idea that there's an "employing class" is truly absurd. This employee could easily be a line cook working for a small business owner who is barely keeping the restaurant afloat. In that case, there's likely very little difference in "class" between them.
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