Iran Nuclear Talks: Framework for Final Deal Reached

[Antonio the Sixth]

The US should respond by taking a stand against this unilateral Sunni aggression. Sadly, they won't.

In the big picture Iran is on the offensive and the Sunnis are defending.

Iran and allies have the upper hand in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Not really, when you factor in ISIS (for which Saudi Arabia & friends have been remarkably foot-draggy in combating).

[politicus]

The US should respond by taking a stand against this unilateral Sunni aggression. Sadly, they won't.

In the big picture Iran is on the offensive and the Sunnis are defending.

Iran and allies have the upper hand in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Not really, when you factor in ISIS (for which Saudi Arabia & friends have been remarkably foot-draggy in combating).

ISIS is a meance, but their power is exaggerated in the media. The Assad regime and the Iraqi government clearly have the upper hand in the civil wars in their countries.

[Cory]

ISIS is a meance, but their power is exaggerated in the media. The Assad regime and the Iraqi government clearly have the upper hand in the civil wars in their countries.

If anything the rise of IS has been a gift to the Iranians. It gives them a perfect excuse to intervene more openly in Iraq and further them as a full Iranian client state.

The Islamic State has been an absolute Godsend to Iranian foreign policy.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The US should respond by taking a stand against this unilateral Sunni aggression. Sadly, they won't.

In the big picture Iran is on the offensive and the Sunnis are defending.

Iran and allies have the upper hand in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Not really, when you factor in ISIS (for which Saudi Arabia & friends have been remarkably foot-draggy in combating).

Interesting thing is that many wealthy Saudi individuals are pomping a s**tload of money into the ISIS and the government is very slow to do anything about this, to put things mildly.

[politicus]

The US should respond by taking a stand against this unilateral Sunni aggression. Sadly, they won't.

In the big picture Iran is on the offensive and the Sunnis are defending.

Iran and allies have the upper hand in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Not really, when you factor in ISIS (for which Saudi Arabia & friends have been remarkably foot-draggy in combating).

Interesting thing is that many wealthy Saudi individuals are pomping a s**tload of money into the ISIS and the government is very slow to do anything about this, to put things mildly.

That goes for rich Quataris as well and probably also other Gulf States. But Saudi-Arabia et al turning a blind eye to rich individuals supporting Sunni fanatics doing horrible things to infidels/heretics is of course nothing new.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

ISIS is a meance, but their power is exaggerated in the media. The Assad regime and the Iraqi government clearly have the upper hand in the civil wars in their countries.

If anything the rise of IS has been a gift to the Iranians. It gives them a perfect excuse to intervene more openly in Iraq and further them as a full Iranian client state.

The Islamic State has been an absolute Godsend to Iranian foreign policy.

The best case for Iran in such scenario would be creating a breakaway Shia state in the south of Iraq. There's no way they can control Sunni Arab and Kurdish areas.

Beside, attempting such a thing would not only risk a direct confrontation with the Saudis and other Gulf States, but also f**k up Iranian reapproachment with the West. Iranian are smart enough to stick with their current policies.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The US should respond by taking a stand against this unilateral Sunni aggression. Sadly, they won't.

In the big picture Iran is on the offensive and the Sunnis are defending.

Iran and allies have the upper hand in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Not really, when you factor in ISIS (for which Saudi Arabia & friends have been remarkably foot-draggy in combating).

Interesting thing is that many wealthy Saudi individuals are pomping a s**tload of money into the ISIS and the government is very slow to do anything about this, to put things mildly.

Considering that the Saudi royal family is itself inclusive of many rich businessmen and other wealthy people among its estimated 15,000 members, and that they are very much tied to other wealthy Saudi families (and wealthy Arab families in general) by marriage, friendship, business dealings, etc., then perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise that they are reluctant to go after those wealthy Saudis (including-potentially-some members of the House of Saud itself-remember, it is a huge family with many rival factions) who do finance terrorism. I could definitely see them being clannish and protective of each other, and defensive against outside criticism.

Also, a lot of the funding is done through multiple levels of charitable donations, some of it with significant state sponsorship to be sure. The question, though, is to what extent are the wealthy Saudis (again, including members of the House of Saud) aware of where exactly their money is going when they donate money to certain'"charities" or Islamic "foundations."

[t_host1]

 …well, hope u’all got your order in order; FOX, just replayed some press coverage of Obama at the Americas’ pow-wow, stating that “IF”, inserting his standard of governance - that if, the supreme leader of Iran statements of what the deal is, Is, what he the supreme leader believes is the deal, then, there is no deal.


Earlier today, war veteran John Kerry stated on CBS, that they, the Iranians and the +5 singed an agreement, to which there are no copies of, to date.

  Make sense?   

[Ebsy]

jao

[Antonio the Sixth]

  Make sense?   

Crystal clear!

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

It's sounding more and more like the only way a final deal will be reached is if Obama concedes on a few dozen more points.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's sounding more and more like the only way a final deal will be reached is if Obama concedes on a few dozen more points.

On the contrary, it is not only so that the final decision would be if Obama was ten units.

jao

[AkSaber]

Sean, the reason Iran’s going to have a power in the gulf because your president George W. Bush invaded Iraq and turned it into an ally of Iran.

Burn.

[MATTROSE94]

This video pretty much explains why the U.S. and Iran can never reconcile their differences 100% at this point in time unless there are major policy changes by both sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyCWKJPdUU

In reality, I can see Iran forming a military alliance with Russia and China that will serve as a check on the military alliance between the U.S. and its allies such as Israel, England, Canada, etc. An alliance between Iran, Russia and China might actually reduce the chances of war between the U.S. and Iran and encourage them to negotiate their differences on a more peaceful level. On the other hand, if war does break out between the U.S. and Iran, it will be much more devastating and could potentially go nuclear due to a possible alliance between Iran, Russia and China.