2012 White Obama Lovers Map by County Project: COMPLETE!

[smoltchanov]

SF, Portland, Seattle. There's your map. lol

Hey, I don't know if you noticed or not...but this is the Political Geography & Demographics forum. So if you can't discuss issues in an empirical (or at the very least, in a non-ignorant) fashion without being a blatant partisan hack, then kindly show yourself the door and fuck off.

+100. I can't be a big help here (living abroad and being almost completely Internet-based), but waitng for the result with great interest. BTW - what is so special in that Mississipi county, that gave Obama only 2% of white vote? Even by Deeep South standard that's something

[smoltchanov]

Times, when Cajun whites in Louisiana voted for national Democratic candidates  (like 1964, when almost all Louisiana was for Goldwater, and Cajun country - for Johnson) are gone. Now that's usual 8-14%. That bodes ill for Democrats in 2015 and 2019 state legislative elections - vast majority of remaining white Democratic legislators hail from there. Democratic caucus in Louisiana risks to be like those in Alabama really soon - 75-80% Black.

Thanks!

[smoltchanov]

AR has been added.

2012 statewide share of the white vote for Obama: 27.1%

Interesting. North Arkansas white voters vote approximately as in North Carolina and Tennessee  South Arkansas whites - almost as in Northern part of Louisiana

[smoltchanov]

This is depressing... in NC, only 30% of whites voted for Obama.

Why? Much better then 11 in Mississippi or 14-15 in Alabama and Louisiana. Southern (REALLY Southern) whites generally (of course, there are exceptions) don't like Obama. It's a FACT. And among many reasons main reason is obvious..

[smoltchanov]

Excellent! After Oklahoma and (sigh) Texas with it's myriad of counties will be added - all South will be done))) And in some aspects this is the most interesting part of the project...

[smoltchanov]

Excellent! After Oklahoma and (sigh) Texas with it's myriad of counties will be added - all South will be done))) And in some aspects this is the most interesting part of the project...

Personally, I don't consider TX nor OK to be part of the South. I almost don't even care to do the rest of the nation; as you said, the South really is the most interesting element. Speaking of areas that aren't the South...


DC & MD have been added.

DC 2012 statewide share of the white vote for Obama: 87.3%
MD 2012 statewide share of the white vote for Obama: 45.7%

It's an eternal question - whether Texas and Oklahoma are South or West? IMHO - both. But they are no less southern then Maryland is)))

[smoltchanov]

Excellent! After Oklahoma and (sigh) Texas with it's myriad of counties will be added - all South will be done))) And in some aspects this is the most interesting part of the project...

Personally, I don't consider TX nor OK to be part of the South. I almost don't even care to do the rest of the nation; as you said, the South really is the most interesting element. Speaking of areas that aren't the South...


DC & MD have been added.

DC 2012 statewide share of the white vote for Obama: 87.3%
MD 2012 statewide share of the white vote for Obama: 45.7%

It's an eternal question - whether Texas and Oklahoma are South or West? IMHO - both. But they are no less southern then Maryland is)))

I would argue Texas north and east of San Antonio is unambiguously the South.  Oklahoma is primarily in the Midwest, save for OK-02.  Regarding MD, the Eastern Shore is clearly still Southern and the DC suburbs clearly are not.  Baltimore is surprisingly ambiguous.  Its political behavior is more consistent with an Upper South metro area than with the Northeast.  But more than half the population lives in areas that are clearly not Southern as of 2010, so I am going to say it belongs in the North now.

Generally agree.

[smoltchanov]

Very interesting, thanks! I thought about such numbers too and came to very simple (may be - even primitive) hypothesis, which could, naturally, be very wrong, but still: whites, who continue to live in black-majority counties, learned (and learned very good) how to live in counties governed by blacks. They adapted well, Those, who cound't - moved. Mostly - to areas with relatively few blacks. And "border counties" (with 40-45% blacks) are exactly those where power still mostly "belongs" to whites, but situation may change very soon. Here - the obstinance and desire to hold onto that power as long as possible and delay impeding transition for that time.

In some aspect the same hypothesis explains why in 50th or 60th it was different - then it were whites from black-majority counties (like WCC founder from Indianola, Mississippi) who were most intransigent in their support of segregation. They knew exactly well that they will lose most of their political power almost immediately after blacks begin to vote "en masse". Not so in, say, hilly NE Mississippi, with most counties being 20-25% black - of course whites there were mostly for segregation too, but integration was less threat for their political power..

[smoltchanov]

Interesting to see the well-explained difference between Northern and Southern metros illustrated. Democrats win the Northern white vote not only in the cities themselves, but in many of their suburbs and satellite cities as well, and keep it close in the areas where they don't win.

Exactly. And in the South suburbs (even more - exurbs) are, usually, heavily republican, and frequently not only cancel Democratic majorities from big cities, but outweigh them. To some extent that phenomenon exist in some Midwest (Milwaukee, for example) metropolitan areas too..

[smoltchanov]

Thanks! Very Interesting. And waiting for complete picture)))