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Torie
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« on: April 10, 2015, 07:31:35 AM »

Right, because the type of people who believe this crap works and is necessary are definitely going to change their minds after hearing Obama denounce it.  I predict a bounce in support for the practice!

And I'm sure the First Amendment will be cited to protect the rights of people or groups to psychologically torture children anyway.

Medical malpractice is not protected by the First Amendment. Yes, I know, you already knew that. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2015, 02:40:55 PM »

And here I'll once again point out that it does work sometimes, but more often than not it fails. The few success stories are the reasons people do them.

Haven't some of those more prominent "success stories" since been discredited, one way or the other?
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2015, 04:26:05 PM »

It's all so particularly bizarre now, since being gay out there, is really not that difficult at all, outside some of the more culturally "impaired" areas of the Fruited Plain. Back when being gay meant a life of hell in a nation of bigots when it came to gay people, out of ignorance and/or because it was socially accepted to be a bigot, are, thank heavens gone, thanks to gays with guts. But at least in the recent dark ages, I can see how out of decent human concern, one might try to see if the gay guy could find a path out of a bigoted hell. Not now. Now, it's well - just repulsive. Hopefully fundamentalist Christians, and others, get the memo soon. You are not being Christian, you are being bigots, and should know better now. Thanks for listening.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 09:57:49 AM »

Right, because the type of people who believe this crap works and is necessary are definitely going to change their minds after hearing Obama denounce it.  I predict a bounce in support for the practice!

And I'm sure the First Amendment will be cited to protect the rights of people or groups to psychologically torture children anyway.

Medical malpractice is not protected by the First Amendment. Yes, I know, you already knew that. Smiley

There isn't a clear line as to what constitutes "conversion" therapy and what doesn't, so you could have the courts defining what is and isn't allowed to be talked about in a way that goes beyond traditional malpractice law.
Is there anything currently stopping malpractice suits to be brought against abusive conversion therapy practices?

I looked it up on
Wiki
, and found the below FWIW:

There have been few, if any, medical malpractice lawsuits filed on the basis of conversion therapy. Laura A. Gans suggested in an article published in The Boston University Public Interest Law Journal that this is due to an "historic reluctance of consumers of mental health services to sue their care givers" and "the difficulty associated with establishing the elements of... causation and harm... given the intangible nature of psychological matters." Gans also suggested that a tort cause of action for intentional infliction of emotional distress might be sustainable against therapists who use conversion therapy on patients who specifically say that his or her anxiety does not arise from his or her sexuality.

Another concern is unwilling patients, particularly children, being forced into SOCE. Children experience significant pressure to conform with sexual norms, particularly from their peers, and often lack adequate legal protection from coercive treatment.[74]

In 2005, Love In Action, an ex-gay ministry based in Memphis, was investigated by the Tennessee Department of Health and the Tennessee Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities for providing counseling and mental health care without a license, and for treating adolescents without their consent. There have been reports that teenagers have been forcibly treated with conversion therapy on other occasions.[97][98][99] Several legal researchers argue that parents who force their children into aggressive conversion therapy programs are committing child abuse under various state statutes.[100][101]
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