Election Discussion Thread - District 3A Speical

[Peter]

Discuss the election here.

For the record, Mr Hobbes' vote is invalid under the 10-day rule since he registered in MN on 26 April.

The 10-day rule is now contained in Article V, Section 2, Clause 4 of the Constitution for reference.

For the record, the States in the old District 3 in this election are denoted on this map in light red:

[Sam Spade]

So, in other words...

Masterjedi 1

Everyone else 0

(ian's absentee vote)

[The Dowager Mod]

when is this term up?

[Sam Spade]

when is this term up?

June.  Of course, then it will be Regional Senate seats, not District Senate seats.

[The Dowager Mod]

where is the region map?

[Sam Spade]

where is the region map?

I'm pretty sure it's in King's SOFA thread in the Government board.

Wisconsin is in the Mideast, as an FYI. 

Unless Masterjedi wins, there will be no incumbent in that race.

[Peter]

Unless Masterjedi wins, there will be no incumbent in that race.

Dean is also a possibility.



Above is the Regions map.

[Peter]

Since its likely to come up, especially with there being so many candidates in this race, here is my interpretation of Federal Election Law

I should note that my determination isn't final and is simply advisory, but to the best of my knowledge does reflect the language of the Constitution and Statutes.

Latest Returns:
Round 1
Mr Hobbes - 2 (1 to Jedi then dies; 1 to Jedi then Dean)
MasterJedi - 2 (1 to Dean then BRTD; 1 to Mr Hobbes then Dean)
BRTD - 1 (1 to Dean then dies)

Round 2 (BRTD eliminated)
Mr Hobbes - 2
MasterJedi - 2
RUNOFF NEXT WEEKEND

I am discounting Mr Hobbes vote from the outset because of the voter residency requirement.

[Joe Republic]

I am discounting Mr Hobbes vote from the outset because of the voter residency requirement.

That requirement really should deal with candidates too.  It would solve the carpetbagging problem.

[Sam Spade]

I am discounting Mr Hobbes vote from the outset because of the voter residency requirement.

That requirement really should deal with candidates too.  It would solve the carpetbagging problem.

Just as a question for Peter:  Will all of these votes count by people who moved into the District under ten days ago?

IMO, if they do count, then if we're going to fix the candidacy requirement, I think the voter requirement should be made clear also, where people can't just stock a Region with people right before any special election (with the new two month switch thingy).

And I support fixing both as well, fwiw.

[Colin]

I am discounting Mr Hobbes vote from the outset because of the voter residency requirement.

That requirement really should deal with candidates too.  It would solve the carpetbagging problem.

Just as a question for Peter:  Will all of these votes count by people who moved into the District under ten days ago?

IMO, if they do count, then if we're going to fix the candidacy requirement, I think the voter requirement should be made clear also, where people can't just stock a Region with people right before any special election (with the new two month switch thingy).

And I support fixing both as well, fwiw.

Well if you remember it says that anyone who has been registered in that state for less than 10 days before a general election is not able to vote in that election. I don't know if that is what you are refering to but that's the law IIRC.

[YRABNNRM]

Is jfern registered in this district?

[Colin]

Is jfern registered in this district?

Here it is:

jfern
Minnesota
Independent

He registered on the 26th which makes his vote invalid under the 10 day rule.

[Jake]

As is NixonNow's I believe

[Colin]

As is NixonNow's I believe

Correct. NixonNow registered on the 25th:

NixonNow
Atlasian Conservative Alliance
Minnesota

[Sam Spade]

I am discounting Mr Hobbes vote from the outset because of the voter residency requirement.

That requirement really should deal with candidates too.  It would solve the carpetbagging problem.

Just as a question for Peter:  Will all of these votes count by people who moved into the District under ten days ago?

IMO, if they do count, then if we're going to fix the candidacy requirement, I think the voter requirement should be made clear also, where people can't just stock a Region with people right before any special election (with the new two month switch thingy).

And I support fixing both as well, fwiw.

Well if you remember it says that anyone who has been registered in that state for less than 10 days before a general election is not able to vote in that election. I don't know if that is what you are refering to but that's the law IIRC.

The actual text of the clause makes no mention of Region nor State.  It only talks about being a Registered voter 10 days before an election.

http://www.progressnj.com/atlaswiki/index.php/Second_Article_V

#4 In order to vote or be a canidate in an election, a person must have been a registered voter on the tenth day before that election.

Mr. Hobbes is therefore not an eligible candidate in this election, nor an eligible voter, obviously.

However, we have a loophole here which NixonNow and jfern will likely be able to glide under and their vote will be eligible.

[Peter]

Seems I forgot that it actually nullified Mr Hobbes' candidacy, good catch.

I would advocate reading the clause as though it states that you have to be resident in the relevant district/Region ten days before the election. Textually, this does make sense: These people were not registered to vote in this election ten days ago, thus they are not registered voters in the sense of this election (just as, for example, Supersoulty is not a registered voter in this election).

[MasterJedi]

Wow, that's a shock!

[King]

That makes the results:  MasterJedi 4 (Gustaf, OWL, Naso, and Jedi); BRTD 2 (BRTD, Ilikeverin)

The big decision I must make is whether or not to use the 25 posts from the last election rule.  If so, it goes from 4-2 Jedi over BRTD to 1-1 with BRTD and Jedi being the only ones that qualify.

[Sam Spade]

That makes the results:  MasterJedi 4 (Gustaf, OWL, Naso, and Jedi); BRTD 2 (BRTD, Ilikeverin)

The big decision I must make is whether or not to use the 25 posts from the last election rule.  If so, it goes from 4-2 Jedi over BRTD to 1-1 with BRTD and Jedi being the only ones that qualify.

Yep, that whole statute (defining activity) was not well-written, imo.  Doesn't take into account special election like this one (one week after the general election).

Regardless of how King interprets it, the interpretation could easily be challenged in court by an unhappy party.

[Sam Spade]

One other thing, according to a strict interpretation of the 25 post rule, these votes would count:

BRTD, Masterjedi, Mike Naso, Dean, 9iron and ian (absentee).

That would give Masterjedi a 5-1 lead.

The other interpretation gives Masterjedi a 7-2 lead, OWL's 25th post since February was in that thread.

The interpretation adding NixonNow and jfern, gives Masterjedi a 7-4 lead.

[Peter]

Activity ideally needs to be defined in a fixed time period: e.g. the 8 weeks prior to an election beginning. Months might be alright, but even that has some question marks because the length of a month is non-standard. Also we need to strictly define when the time period to make these posts ends, is it before the vote is cast, before the election begins or before the election ends. In the interests of fair play, I'd have to rule out election ends, and I would lean heavily towards election beginning.

[Peter]

Present breakdown (discounting Mr Hobbes, NixonNow and jfern as voters and Mr Hobbes as a Candidate)

Round 1:
Jedi - 7
Dean - 3
BRTD - 2

Round 2:
Jedi - 7
Dean - 5

[MasterJedi]

Present breakdown (discounting Mr Hobbes, NixonNow and jfern as voters and Mr Hobbes as a Candidate)

Round 1:
Jedi - 7
Dean - 3
BRTD - 2

Round 2:
Jedi - 7
Dean - 5

I think the results so far are good.

[Joe Republic]

Just voted for BRTD (after Joe Quimby of course).  I figured that with not a single liberal in the senate right now, we should have somebody who manages to counterbalance all the conservatives put together.