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danny
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« on: April 19, 2015, 11:05:27 PM »

I just came across an article that predicts a very grim -- and convincing -- future for the conflict.  I encourage anyone who is interested to read it in its entirety:

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/13/8390387/israel-dark-future

A silly article that simply brings a bunch of far leftists, to say how horrible things are and will be. Israel acts far more democratically now than during the pre-67 Mapai days.
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danny
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2015, 12:10:42 AM »

I just came across an article that predicts a very grim -- and convincing -- future for the conflict.  I encourage anyone who is interested to read it in its entirety:

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/13/8390387/israel-dark-future

A silly article that simply brings a bunch of far leftists, to say how horrible things are and will be. Israel acts far more democratically now than during the pre-67 Mapai days.
That's not saying much...

It wasn't the worst. But more importantly, it was a response to the article that was pushing a bullsh**t narrative that the 67 war as the beginning of the end of Israeli democracy, and that it had some sort of debilitating affect on Israel.
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danny
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2015, 12:38:15 AM »

Regardless of what you think regarding the West Bank Palestinians, this article was saying that the occupation has caused Israel to become less democratic towards its own citizens, and this is my main objection.

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danny
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2015, 09:13:18 PM »

Okay, that I get.

I don't think it's necessarily talking about citizens' actual rights though. It's more talking about how it's changed citizens' outlook about the concept of democracy. I think it's a valid point.

Then there's another debate about whether ethnocentric, anti-democratic ideals where always there, it's just that the West and some Israelis were able to more easily ignore them in the past.

This is all illustrated by the nation-state law, which I think the article is very reasonable about. It admits that it doesn't actually change people's rights in any concrete way. It's symbolic though.

The nation state law is a good example of the silliness of the article. The article itself admits that it won't make a great difference, and the only objection is with the symbolism of declaring Israel a Jewish state, as if this is somehow new rather than the very reason the country was founded in the first place.

 This is being done in the context of an article trying to show how things are getting worse in the way it starts by approvingly referring to Ben Gurion and leading to the supposedly worse present. But it was under Ben Gurion's leadership, and before the occupation, that the Arabs were under military rule and clearly had far less rights than they do now. It would be far more accurate for the article to go the opposite way and write about how much progress Arabs have made since Israel's early days to the present.
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