Hungary By-Election, Tapolca

[rob in cal]

  I think an interesting question is what was the exact nature of this by-election campaign. Did Jobbik run on its nationalist platform, or concentrate on more bread and butter issues?  Did the electorat, vote for Rig knowing much about his controversial stances and tatoo, or would they have voted just as strongly, or more strongly for a jobbik candidate without such baggage?

[DavidB.]

Anyway, Jobbik now has dropped its support for withdrawing from the EU (which I assume means it has also dropped the crazy irredentist ideas of annexing areas of Slovakia and Romania). However it wants a a much expanded EU with the strongmen rulers to the East (surreally, Jobbik is a big fan of Erdogan and even Islamism, for unfortunately obvious reasons).

I know this has been a long, long time ago, but I'm genuinely curious as to why Jobbik now wants to expand the EU and why Jobbik is a fan of Erdogan/Islamism? These reasons don't seem so obvious to me.

[Donerail]

Anyway, Jobbik now has dropped its support for withdrawing from the EU (which I assume means it has also dropped the crazy irredentist ideas of annexing areas of Slovakia and Romania). However it wants a a much expanded EU with the strongmen rulers to the East (surreally, Jobbik is a big fan of Erdogan and even Islamism, for unfortunately obvious reasons).

I know this has been a long, long time ago, but I'm genuinely curious as to why Jobbik now wants to expand the EU and why Jobbik is a fan of Erdogan/Islamism? These reasons don't seem so obvious to me.

"We could gain a key ally in Turkey against certain European groups under the influence of the American-Israeli lobby. The Muslim Turkey is more supportive of Christian values than those who are governing the European Union. I don’t think that we have to safeguard Christian values against Erdogan ; the danger lies with the Lisbon Treaty and with those who concocted it in a deceitful and anti-democratic fashion, including the socialists and Fidesz ... I accept our Austrian and Belgian friends’ different views on Turkey, but they too have to understand that we might hold a contrary view on the issue. Regardless of the differences, we still have to support each other in the struggle against the Lisbon Treaty. However, the fact that some nationalist parties in Western Europe join forces with Zionist umbrella groups when confronting Muslim opposition is a mistake." - party chair Gábor Vona

[DavidB.]

Anyway, Jobbik now has dropped its support for withdrawing from the EU (which I assume means it has also dropped the crazy irredentist ideas of annexing areas of Slovakia and Romania). However it wants a a much expanded EU with the strongmen rulers to the East (surreally, Jobbik is a big fan of Erdogan and even Islamism, for unfortunately obvious reasons).

I know this has been a long, long time ago, but I'm genuinely curious as to why Jobbik now wants to expand the EU and why Jobbik is a fan of Erdogan/Islamism? These reasons don't seem so obvious to me.

"We could gain a key ally in Turkey against certain European groups under the influence of the American-Israeli lobby. The Muslim Turkey is more supportive of Christian values than those who are governing the European Union. I don’t think that we have to safeguard Christian values against Erdogan ; the danger lies with the Lisbon Treaty and with those who concocted it in a deceitful and anti-democratic fashion, including the socialists and Fidesz ... I accept our Austrian and Belgian friends’ different views on Turkey, but they too have to understand that we might hold a contrary view on the issue. Regardless of the differences, we still have to support each other in the struggle against the Lisbon Treaty. However, the fact that some nationalist parties in Western Europe join forces with Zionist umbrella groups when confronting Muslim opposition is a mistake." - party chair Gábor Vona

Thanks. This was what I had in mind, but I thought it would be too far-fetched even for Jobbik. However, this is Jobbik, so I'm not really surprised either. Do you happen to know who these "Austrian and Belgian friends" are? Not FPÖ and Vlaams Belang, I suppose?

[Donerail]

Thanks. This was what I had in mind, but I thought it would be too far-fetched even for Jobbik. However, this is Jobbik, so I'm not really surprised either. Do you happen to know who these "Austrian and Belgian friends" are? Not FPÖ and Vlaams Belang, I suppose?

Belgium I think is the Front National (the interview is from 2010, before they dissolved). Austria's presumably the FPÖ.

[Simfan34]

Thanks. This was what I had in mind, but I thought it would be too far-fetched even for Jobbik. However, this is Jobbik, so I'm not really surprised either. Do you happen to know who these "Austrian and Belgian friends" are? Not FPÖ and Vlaams Belang, I suppose?

Belgium I think is the Front National (the interview is from 2010, before they dissolved). Austria's presumably the FPÖ.

I imagine it would have been the BZO.

[DavidB.]

Thanks. This was what I had in mind, but I thought it would be too far-fetched even for Jobbik. However, this is Jobbik, so I'm not really surprised either. Do you happen to know who these "Austrian and Belgian friends" are? Not FPÖ and Vlaams Belang, I suppose?

Belgium I think is the Front National (the interview is from 2010, before they dissolved). Austria's presumably the FPÖ.

I imagine it would have been the BZO.

Not very likely, I think. Remember that the BZÖ was actually more moderate than the FPÖ. They thought the FPÖ had gone too far. It would be a bit strange to meet up with Jobbik then.

[Zanas]

Anyway, Jobbik now has dropped its support for withdrawing from the EU (which I assume means it has also dropped the crazy irredentist ideas of annexing areas of Slovakia and Romania). However it wants a a much expanded EU with the strongmen rulers to the East (surreally, Jobbik is a big fan of Erdogan and even Islamism, for unfortunately obvious reasons).

I know this has been a long, long time ago, but I'm genuinely curious as to why Jobbik now wants to expand the EU and why Jobbik is a fan of Erdogan/Islamism? These reasons don't seem so obvious to me.

"We could gain a key ally in Turkey against certain European groups under the influence of the American-Israeli lobby. The Muslim Turkey is more supportive of Christian values than those who are governing the European Union. I don’t think that we have to safeguard Christian values against Erdogan ; the danger lies with the Lisbon Treaty and with those who concocted it in a deceitful and anti-democratic fashion, including the socialists and Fidesz ... I accept our Austrian and Belgian friends’ different views on Turkey, but they too have to understand that we might hold a contrary view on the issue. Regardless of the differences, we still have to support each other in the struggle against the Lisbon Treaty. However, the fact that some nationalist parties in Western Europe join forces with Zionist umbrella groups when confronting Muslim opposition is a mistake." - party chair Gábor Vona

tl;dr : #justantisemiticthings

[Cranberry]

Thanks. This was what I had in mind, but I thought it would be too far-fetched even for Jobbik. However, this is Jobbik, so I'm not really surprised either. Do you happen to know who these "Austrian and Belgian friends" are? Not FPÖ and Vlaams Belang, I suppose?

Belgium I think is the Front National (the interview is from 2010, before they dissolved). Austria's presumably the FPÖ.

I imagine it would have been the BZO.

Not very likely, I think. Remember that the BZÖ was actually more moderate than the FPÖ. They thought the FPÖ had gone too far. It would be a bit strange to meet up with Jobbik then.

Defining the BZÖ ideologically in relation to the FPÖ is pointless; they were never anything else but Haider's personal club.

But yeah, it will probably be the FPÖ and not the BZÖ as said party died the very same moment as their leader.