Will Republicans be able to block Obama's Iran deal?

[windjammer]

Well, I'm pessimistic and I have the feeling they will succeed.

So yes.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Yup

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

I'm a bit more optimistic. It looks like there's a deal that's been struck that would allow the Senate to review the bill, while taking away the poison pills that would kill the deal. The decision to enter into the agreement is constitutionally reserved for Obama, but this would deal with the sanctions that Congress has imposed on Iran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-prepares-to-flex-its-muscle-on-iran-nuclear-deal-to-obamas-chagrin/2015/04/13/1932c5b2-e219-11e4-81ea-0649268f729e_story.html

Not remotely amused with the GOP's behavior on this, but I'll take it if it gets the deal through.

[Ebsy]

I think there is going to be considerable pressure on Republicans to approve a good deal if we end up with one.

[moderatevoter]

Analysis from Greg Sargent on the new bill.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Iran is going to kill the deal. They add new demands and conditions with each passing day.

[Torie]

It's dead absent 1) a lot more teeth in verification, and a snap back of sanctions upon any finding of a violation, and 2) the sanction snapback is signed off by all the nations that matter, as soon as Iran interferes with surprise inspections. Since Iran is not going to agree to item 1), item 2) is moot, and it's dead - unless other nations unilaterally start abandoning the sanctions, and then we are screwed, screwed, screwed no matter what we do. The policy options when dealing with Iran really suck. It will be interesting to see how Hillary plays this as it comes down.

Of course, Obama can do his executive order thing, which will last until his term of office expires. And he might just do that. And that might get other nations (not the US, because Congress will never agree), to abandon sanctions. That would be just an awful turn of events. I hope that does not happen.

Iran came to the table because of sanctions, and they should just be left in place, until they realize that the policy that they get no nukes is a serious one, and will remain in place - period - and they need to get used to it.

[publicunofficial]

Wouldn't it be great if the first actual thing accomplished by the Republican-controlled Senate would be killing a historic peace treaty?

[Türkisblau]

Wouldn't it be great if the first actual thing accomplished by the Republican-controlled Senate would be killing a historic peace treaty?

Well, Republicans have always been adept at killing historic peace treaties. It will be hailed as an amazing victory by the right, obviously.

[Replicator]

It doesn't matter because we can always dictate our own agenda through Israel. Obama is a lame duck even when it comes to foreign policy.

[Iosif]

To kill it they need to override an Obama veto.

That's not happening.

[publicunofficial]

It doesn't matter because we can always dictate our own agenda through Israel. Obama is a lame duck even when it comes to foreign policy.

Yeah WE'RE the ones dictating OUR foreign policy through Israel. Certainly not the other way around.

[Antonio the Sixth]

To kill it they need to override an Obama veto.

That's not happening.

This.

[Sumner 1868]

Unquestionably.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

To kill it they need to override an Obama veto.

That's not happening.

Maybe there are 146 not total warmongers in the House, but I really doubt there are 34 in the Senate. Schumer wants war.

[Simfan34]

It doesn't matter because we can always dictate our own agenda through Israel. Obama is a lame duck even when it comes to foreign policy.

Yeah WE'RE the ones dictating OUR foreign policy through Israel. Certainly not the other way around.

I think the "we" here is the Republican Party.

[Gass3268]

I would have voted yes before Obama supported the Senate deal, I have now voted no.

[Torie]

Somebody actually thinks the Senate will ratify the treaty as we currently understand the details of the deal?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Somebody actually thinks the Senate will ratify the treaty as we currently understand the details of the deal?

There is no treaty to be ratified.

[Torie]

Somebody actually thinks the Senate will ratify the treaty as we currently understand the details of the deal?

There is no treaty to be ratified.

That is in dispute as it turns out. Anyway, if it is not a treaty, then it is just an executive order, as I suggested, which has no force and effect of law. It's just Obama saying what he will do, or not do, vis a vis Iran. And obviously he cannot unilaterally lift the trade embargo, which is a statute.

[pbrower2a]

Yes, but Republicans will pay a hefty price for that in 2016.

[CountryClassSF]

I don't think it will be fully blocked, but Congress can and should be allowed to have some say on it and should be permitted to tweak it as they see fit, especially with the bipartisan consensus

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Naturally having a framework for ending sanctions and not starting a war is a treaty, which requires a 2/3rds vote of the Senate, while a total give away of sovereignty to the mulit-national corporations (TPP) isn't a treaty, and doesn't need a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

[ag]

Naturally having a framework for ending sanctions and not starting a war is a treaty, which requires a 2/3rds vote of the Senate, while a total give away of sovereignty to the mulit-national corporations (TPP) isn't a treaty, and doesn't need a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

The bill in question does not insist on this being a treaty.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I feel like this is bait and switch carrot and a stick approach Where the ultimate goal is to whip the donkey...  They're screaming IRAN IRAN IRAN! As the TPP is readied for an up or down vote.  Most congress critters will never see the TPP deets but the leaders will implore them to vote on a need to know basis.

Just before the Iran deal is ready to be solidified the TPP vote will be scheduled.  The outcome of the Iran deal will determine the fate of the TPP.

The government doesn't just advance a TPP that covers the whole world but a few states we don't like while attempting to deal with the enemy in the meantime.  If Iran fails, the TPP passes overwhelmingly.  And I have a feeling the TPP ain't kind to Iran.  Or some others.