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« on: April 14, 2015, 02:25:21 PM »
« edited: April 14, 2015, 02:26:57 PM by PR »

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 02:26:38 PM »

Should have been done in 1992.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 03:29:04 PM »

Pretty obvious move that should have been done earlier. Can't wait to see Rubio's reaction.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 05:08:58 PM »

About time.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 05:59:44 PM »

Pretty obvious move that should have been done earlier. Can't wait to see Rubio's reaction.

It's going to take some time; he'll be in surgery for the next 12 hours due to the aneurysm he received when he heard the news.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 07:52:33 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 08:16:01 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
It really is a diamond in the rough, along with the Iran Deal, killing Osama and ending the Iraq War.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 11:46:24 PM »

Obama's like the opposite of Bush; he's getting better while Bush got worse.
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2015, 01:23:02 AM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
It really is a diamond in the rough, along with the Iran Deal, killing Osama and ending the Iraq War.

It's not a diamond in the rough if there are a lot of diamonds.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2015, 01:31:20 AM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2015, 02:11:59 AM »

Jeb Bush is the terrorist supporter. He supported someone who was involved with a terrorist attack blowing up a plane killing 73 Cuban civilians.
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2015, 02:28:57 AM »

Pretty obvious move that should have been done earlier. Can't wait to see Rubio's reaction.

Should be enough to rename Rabioso (Rabid in Spanish).
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2015, 03:27:14 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
It really is a diamond in the rough, along with the Iran Deal, killing Osama and ending the Iraq War.

It's not a diamond in the rough if there are a lot of diamonds.
You consider Libya, Syria, Yemen, drones, the Ukraine, and the prosecution of Edward Snowden  good things?
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2015, 04:03:17 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
It really is a diamond in the rough, along with the Iran Deal, killing Osama and ending the Iraq War.

It's not a diamond in the rough if there are a lot of diamonds.
You consider Libya, Syria, Yemen, drones, the Ukraine, and the prosecution of Edward Snowden  good things?

We could have a thread per each of these topics, but to respond on the most fallacious claims:

re. Drones: The drone program has been one of the most effective military programs to date. The obvious complaint is civilians being killed in the collateral damage, but at the point where the US would be going after these terrorists regardless, it is preferable to use a tool that is both more accurate and effective, that doesn't risk American lives on the ground.

re. Snowden: He's a traitor that literally committed treason and should be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law. His dissemination of the information he stole can be described as nothing less than careless, and he has undermined the US's soft-power and counter-surveillance capabilities on the world stage.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2015, 06:57:56 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.
It really is a diamond in the rough, along with the Iran Deal, killing Osama and ending the Iraq War.

It's not a diamond in the rough if there are a lot of diamonds.
You consider Libya, Syria, Yemen, drones, the Ukraine, and the prosecution of Edward Snowden  good things?

We could have a thread per each of these topics, but to respond on the most fallacious claims:

re. Drones: The drone program has been one of the most effective military programs to date. The obvious complaint is civilians being killed in the collateral damage, but at the point where the US would be going after these terrorists regardless, it is preferable to use a tool that is both more accurate and effective, that doesn't risk American lives on the ground.

Wow. Just wow. So killing civilians is okay and justified when it comes to the war on terror? If I imagined that a drone killed my family and me, ... just frightening, disgusting and a cruel war crime.

You can't target civilians.  You can kill civilians as collateral damage sometimes, as long as it's in the course of a legitimate military action, like trying to kill the leadership of Al Qaeda. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2015, 07:06:53 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.

Indeed. And it's something that Hillary pushed for years. But really I don't give either of them too much credit for this no-brainer move that should have/would have happened 20 years ago if not for the Miami Cuban lobby.
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2015, 07:12:44 PM »

re. Snowden: He's a traitor that literally committed treason and should be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law. His dissemination of the information he stole can be described as nothing less than careless, and he has undermined the US's soft-power and counter-surveillance capabilities on the world stage.

Embarrassment is not treason. And how is it "counter-surveillance" when this government is the one that in just the past thirteen years has spied on more people than any in history.
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2015, 07:31:42 PM »

re. Snowden: He's a traitor that literally committed treason and should be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law. His dissemination of the information he stole can be described as nothing less than careless, and he has undermined the US's soft-power and counter-surveillance capabilities on the world stage.

I'll agree with Snowdon prosecution the day Keith Alexander (former NSA head) is prosecuted for mass spying of citizens without court mandate.
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2015, 07:40:35 PM »

re. Snowden: He's a traitor that literally committed treason and should be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law. His dissemination of the information he stole can be described as nothing less than careless, and he has undermined the US's soft-power and counter-surveillance capabilities on the world stage.

I'll agree with Snowdon prosecution the day Keith Alexander (former NSA head) is prosecuted for mass spying of citizens without court mandate.

Not to mention lying to Congress.

I can understand why Snowden must be prosecuted. If he wasn't, then it would basically send a signal that anyone can just steal all of the NSA's files, and escape consequences (If that's the case, what's the point of secrecy?), but he did do a lot of good as well, and it was due solely to the unknown abuses and dishonesty of the NSA.
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2015, 07:42:32 PM »

We should have sent them food aid from 1991-1995 while they reorganized their economy to liberal market socialism.  Freedom to own small businesses but limits on profits so infrastructure could be renewed for all first and then allow personal profits to increase to rebuild households and private infrastructure.

Then simply require 50% of gross wages go to charity, of which all are eligible for on a first come first serve basis.  With a rush for more dire energencies (like how a heart attack preempts a broken bone in the ER)

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2015, 08:36:29 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.

Indeed. And it's something that Hillary pushed for years. But really I don't give either of them too much credit for this no-brainer move that should have/would have happened 20 years ago if not for the Miami Cuban lobby.

You know who has been pushing to keep the embargo in place for years? Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Because she has no brains.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/wasserman-schultz-says-cuban-embargo-should-remain/
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2015, 09:59:02 PM »

By the way Obama, there's this prison in Cuba you could stand to do something about. You wanted it shut down from the beginning, you know.
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2015, 10:18:53 PM »

Wow. Just wow. So killing civilians is okay and justified when it comes to the war on terror? If I imagined that a drone killed my family and me, ... just frightening, disgusting and a cruel war crime.

You live in a fantasy world where war isn't war. Literally anything done on a battlefield at all can be called a "war crime" if you really want.

We wouldn't have been able to win WWII if people who thought like you were in charge.

It's unfortunate, but it's reality.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2015, 10:47:28 PM »

By the way Obama, there's this prison in Cuba you could stand to do something about. You wanted it shut down from the beginning, you know.

IIRC, that has more to do with that fact that Congress refuses to defund it/fund a new site for the prisoners there. So Obama can only go halfway, but Congress refuses to do their part.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2015, 09:41:56 PM »

Honestly, Obama's new Cuba policy is probably one of the best things to come from his Presidency.

Indeed. And it's something that Hillary pushed for years. But really I don't give either of them too much credit for this no-brainer move that should have/would have happened 20 years ago if not for the Miami Cuban lobby.

You know who has been pushing to keep the embargo in place for years? Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Because she has no brains.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/wasserman-schultz-says-cuban-embargo-should-remain/

She has to pretend to be anti-Cuba to maintain influence with her Cuban buddies in the majority party. That's her job. And it's the job of the rest of the country to overrule her.
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