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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: April 14, 2015, 06:12:12 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

Absolutely horrific (normal).
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 06:13:46 PM »

Absolutely horrific (normal).
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 07:07:23 PM »

All confederate sympathizers are jags.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 07:09:11 PM »

Obviously horrible. But this is what happens when you don't enact a policy of mass lynchings without trial of all Confederate officers and politicians in the summer of 1865.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 07:11:34 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 07:13:39 PM »

Horrible, but saying that won't win me any favors where I live.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 07:14:27 PM »

Both a horrible and a joke cause.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 07:15:44 PM »

Horrible.

RIP Sherman, years ahead of his time
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2015, 07:39:56 PM »


Just stop, I despise the Confederacy but do you really need to defend Sherman's actions?
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 07:48:19 PM »

Functionally identical to Neo-Nazism.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2015, 08:03:08 PM »


Just stop, I despise the Confederacy but do you really need to defend Sherman's actions?
Uhhh what did he do that the Confederate didn't/wouldn't have done?

When did I say the Confederates were any better?
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2015, 08:08:18 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2015, 08:09:29 PM »

Horrible.

RIP Sherman, years ahead of his time
War crimes are so much fun amirite!?!?

Anywho, the Lost Causers are exactly that-lost causers. The South lost for a myriad of reasons, the war is over, and reconstruction was necessary much like de-Nazification was needed in post-war Germany.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2015, 09:02:17 PM »


Burning down cotton fields and tearing up railroads are not war crimes. Compared with the mass execution of captured black Union soldiers by the Confederacy, it seems almost tame. Obviously, it was hell for the people who went through it, but then again, "war is all hell."
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2015, 11:07:14 PM »

Obviously horrible. But this is what happens when you don't enact a policy of mass lynchings without trial of all Confederate officers and politicians in the summer of 1865.

As usual, Lief is right.

The North was damn near as bad as the Confederacy

Fuck off.
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2015, 11:20:09 PM »

The North was damn near as bad as the Confederacy

Sorry, but this is laughable. Not a single practice, custom, or condition in the Northern states comes close to the moral outrage that was slavery, and every atrocity committed by the North during the war was matched or exceeded by the South. At worst, the Union government stretched its Constitutional powers and authorized some unpleasant treatment of Southern civilians; the South, meanwhile, openly backed the murder of black soldiers and based their government on the principle of human bondage. Alexander Stephens, in his infamous Cornerstone Speech, actually said that slavery was the foundation of the Confederate government, and whatever objections libertarian-types might have to Lincoln's handling of the war effort, neither he nor any Union official went so far as to name racism as one of America's greatest strengths.

I might add that the narrative of "political suppression" of Confederate sympathizers in the North is extremely overstated. Not a single Northerner was executed for their political beliefs, and the number arrested for subverting the war effort was quite low, especially in comparison to actions taken in other wars. Furthermore, there was no systematic attempt by the Lincoln Administration to silence "Copperheads" in the North, and the Democrats were allowed to conduct their 1864 campaign unhindered even when Lincoln thought he would loose the election. In any case, it's nonsensical to argue that civil rights abuses in the North are somehow comparable to the enslavement of 3 Million African-Americans in the South.

Ultimately, the "Lost Cause" and statements like yours are historical revisionism, nothing more. Did the North do things that should offend our sensibilities as denizens of the 21st Century? Of course. Saying that the Union was "just as bad" as the South, however, ignores established historical facts (not interpretations, facts) and reeks of political correctness taken to the extreme.
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2015, 11:22:48 PM »


Obviously horrible. But this is what happens when you don't enact a policy of mass lynchings without trial of all Confederate officers and politicians in the summer of 1865.

Wouldn't have been enough. It's inevitable from the moment of Fort Sumter.
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2015, 12:05:39 AM »

The North was damn near as bad as the Confederacy

You have no idea what you're talking about.
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2015, 12:19:20 AM »

The Lost Cause is a shorthand for the mythological cycle about the supposed glories, honor, prowess, and righteousness of the Confederacy and it's leaders that was constructed in the late 19th Century as a way for Southerners to avoid contemplating the colossal society-wide obscenity of going to war to defend the principle that men might own men.

 Men like Alexander Stephens, who thundered in 1861 that white supremacy was the 'cornerstone' of the Confederacy and that the equality of man was the downfall of the union whimpered that, "O no, we were only defending state's rights" in 1870.
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2015, 06:22:51 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2015, 10:20:20 AM »

I love people who idolize Sherman and then conveniently elide him using much the same tactics against the Comanche and Kiowa a few years later. A true moral giant.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2015, 11:29:33 AM »

I love people who idolize Sherman and then conveniently elide him using much the same tactics against the Comanche and Kiowa a few years later. A true moral giant.

I don't think anyone congratulates Sherman on using the March to the Sea tactics on the Native Americans, but with the Confederacy, considering that it was a war machine designed to preserve slavery, I can't fault him for using such tactics against the Confederate war effort (especially considering the brutal tactics the Confederates used against black Union soldiers and so forth, and the fact that he didn't kill that many people with the March to the Sea).
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2015, 11:57:28 AM »

While it's painful to hear history revised to the point of an incredibly opportunistic, money-driven and racist North being canonized as this heroic, evil-free entity ... and as much as it's just wrong to say that Sherman's March didn't result in tons of civilian death and more than a few cases of Southern women (slaves included) being raped .... All of that is besides this question.

The Lost Cause Theory is utter bullsh*t invented by some modern Southerners who inexplicably seem to feel more allegiance to a group of traitors who died decades ago than they do to the current UNION, which the Civil War saved.  Confederate apologists are some of the worst people in the world.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2015, 02:03:41 PM »

I took a class called Civil War and Reconstruction last year (my senior year of college) with a FANTASTIC teacher named Leslie Schwaum.  The main book used was "Half Slave and Half Free: The Roots of Civil War" by Bruce Levine.  This forum, to say the least, needs a read.

It not only shatters the Lost Cause Theory.  It uses extensive research and primary sources to shatter a few other myths:

- That the South wasn't fighting primarily for slavery (numerous secession speeches in Southern legislatures stop that revisionism right in its tracks)
- That Northern Democrats weren't, by and large, just as anti-slavery and pro-Union as Republicans (they simply had a very powerful Southern wing to adhere to)
- That early Republicans and Lincoln were these huge "liberals for their time" (what a goofy expression) because they implemented a TINY income tax that was literally written into law as temporary and expiring after the war ... in fact, a few years later a Democratic Congress passed the first ever permanent income tax against Republican opposition.
- That Democrats were viewed as the more intolerant party ... They most certainly were not.
- That Southerners were more "patriotic" about their side ... if anything, it was the opposite.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2015, 05:26:54 PM »

The North was damn near as bad as the Confederacy

^ The party of Lincoln folks.
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